Odor Monitoring and Mitigation

0:03 Byers is made a name for itself in a bit of a different way and really going back to the drawing board if you will. And and understanding the problem set. Sure. Landfills have odors sure composting facilities have odors we've taken a minute to better. Understand. What is that? Problem set? What is a help us better? Understand qualitatively and quantitatively what are these emissions? And where are they coming from? And And where are they traveling to? So, a bit of a long-winded answer is with, with the help of Enviro, sweetness partnership that we have. Now we can really understand, not only where these emissions are going but what are the emissions?

0:43 And to see the changes in emissions? Based on barometric pressure or based on meteor lot, other meteorological data or of a primary source is extremely unique. So we have gained a wealth of knowledge in the last 16 months or so. Welcome to the environmental transformation podcast where we talk with industry leaders, climate Champions and sustainability professionals, who are making an impact in their businesses. Today, each leader solving complex challenges and provide Solutions within the respective areas of expertise. And here's our host, Sean Grady.

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2:11 I hope you enjoy the new website so check it out at www.shawnacoronado.com. Welcome to the environmental transformation podcast. I'm your host Sean Grady and today's guest Star, Josh, REM Bush and Andres quijano. Welcome guys. Josh is the vice president of sales and marketing for buyers scientific and Andres is the local sales and manager for the Americas for Enviro Suite software Solutions. Thank you guys for joining the show. Thanks Sean, thank you, Sean.

2:51 Thank you for having us. All right. Hey looking, I'm looking forward to this conversation, you know. I do a little bit of software work myself and you know Enviro sweet is Really interesting piece of software and and for the listeners I think it might be good for Audrey is if you can, give the give them a, give us a little expect, you know explanation of what Enviro sweet does, the what the platform is built on, you know, what kind of problems are you solving with it and let's dive into this a little bit. It's pretty interesting. You know some Sean thank you so much and thank you everybody as well for using today to the podcast. One of the key things for Enviro sweet has always been how do we translate that Because we live in this world where everybody wants more data and everybody's got all these sensors. And we talked about it, the internet of things. And in terms of environmental things came out and we had an excess of data, but we believe that we have a lack of information.

3:45 And I think that one of the premises where we actually started with was, how do we start to grab these data and translate it into true activities and actions in virus? We just started more than 30 years ago from a Consulting point of view. We were doing a little Consulting work and As some of your listeners, may know as well shown Consultants, come with This. Brilliant plans, that end up becoming just books that sit on a shelf and nobody's implemented because of the lack of tools to be able to bring it all into play. So verse with sold the consulting firm and then we decided to go to the war with a global technology business. And all we're doing is grabbing that knowledge that we have from not just monitoring data into actions but also forecasting modeling hyper, local weather forecast understanding the how weather Impacts the operations whether you are a landfill waste water treatment plant of any kind of operations.

4:35 That is impacted by weather. If it's important for you to know what's actually going to happen with your emissions and what you can do about it, then that's kind of the premise within virus with comes and and and ultimately with our vision, our mission or gold which is always to be able to bring communities regulators and Industry together so that Society can Thrive. And I think for us is one of the most important things is responsible operations are always looking. For ways to implement plans, but it's all about helping Society growth and with that is the community and meeting Regulatory Compliance as well. So at the end of the day, that's what we do in the technology side. Of course, is just count. How do you implement that in such a way that looks so simple.

5:19 Yes, it's so complex in the background. You have very Advanced models, very Advanced activity happening and multiple parameters impacting alert something. So mainly, that's what we do Shawn. Come on. Well let's dive in a little deeper because I mean, that's a pretty good overview. But let's talk about, you know, what this application is really doing. I mean, for the, for the listeners, for instance, what Target audiences are Target Industries, are you pursuing that are real really great use cases for this application. If we're chilling. Look at, and we've had great success. In probably three key areas, the end of the day, I said earlier, anybody, that feels Is that the weather can impact their operations may be interested in my client of ours, but you could argue say well, that's almost. Anybody depends how you look at it. So we have had very good success on landfills and management of land filled orders and engagements with the community. We have quite a good success with water in the wastewater treatment plants as well.

6:22 And I've been on couple of podcasts on the water side as well because there's a very, some very interesting advances happening in that space and Minding my name is probably the third pillar of the we also work significantly with but I think for the purpose of kind of what we're talking about today, focusing on the landfills and the wastewater treatment plants has been one of the key areas for us to be able to help moving this forward. And and I think one of the key aspects is I don't want to get extremely technical if he's not the right terminology, but we have grabbed historical models like ComEd kalpas and wrf models that actually give you very good forecasting data and Hyper localized that and some of our clients like Wake County in North Carolina.

7:10 It's a landfill that we operate with and we talk there with John Robertson which is the landfill operations manager in that area and he is one of the persons that he's being a very big advocate of the solution for the last house a over 34 years and what they are. Actually finding very useful is the ability to The communities quickly when they have are concerned, and they have seen a significant reduction of number of orders reports, no, because the community is not perceiving the orders necessarily, but it's also because they've actually encouraged now the commutes a please lead us. Not let us know when others may actually occur because that's how we get better. And we are going to give you very fast response of, we know what's going on because we have this tool that helps us understand where you really impacted by our facility. I was at a neighboring facility.

8:02 A lot of the times landfill operations, always work. Treatment plants, have the difficulty that they sit next to other sources. And of course, they can't blame all the time because they are the biggest because they are most visible. But then you may actually be coming next to another Pump Station or a transfer station, or maybe it's a manhole cover that is actually having problems. And without any tools that help you understand what's happening with the weather you you're just going to have to take the blame of the time. So I think that that ability to So understand, is it me? And if it is me, what do we do? And that's where some of the partnership's we had with buyers and diffic it's been extremely fruitful with our clients because that's that kind of okay. I know, it's me.

8:44 So, what do I do about it? And that we can help and I'll let Josh talk about that later. But it is not me is, hey, let's also understand. There's other sources in the area that we need to be able to manage. So that's when Regulators can come in and say, okay, well, this is fantastic. Now we know you have controls. Now, let's put in place in other areas, but that's just to give you a couple of examples of here blind and we work with Kirsten, but happy to exist deeper as needed. I just want to conscious of all, so that's, that's really good. I mean, so so you're looking. So currently use iot devices as your monitoring stations. You got it equipment. That's like, is this your own proprietary equipment that you, you license out just part of your service.

9:27 How does that work? And you could talk a little bit about the device? Isis, it sound like you're using it for air air quality sampling. You've got odor, monitoring a noise and vibration talk a little bit about that. So the people listening can kind of get a sense of the, the spectrum of the types of monitoring you're doing your. Here's here's an interesting area shortly when we started, as I said we started a Consulting Group. We identified that there is a Increased number of sensors that were available on coming in the market. I personally come from working very heavily in the sensor, manufacturing space, that's where I actually graduated and did my thesis on and measuring instrumentation on air quality.

10:11 But what's happening right now is we have indicative measurements coming out on the APA. Came out about a year and a half ago with the EPA guidelines, or utilizing an indicative measurement sensors, and has very good in understanding. How does indicative measurements can compliment? Those regulatory monitors because their regular monitors are expensive to run and they're going to be very costly, but they're very precise, but if you can use indicative measurement data, to give you awareness of what's happening around your operations, then you may be able to act ahead of time almost like a fire detector, basically just kind of trip. Alarm go like if that's what's actually, let's see what's happening and that's what. Now Trends are becoming more important to to answer your specific question we then went back and said, okay, do we manufacture sensors What do we do in terms of gathering this data? And we learned that this tremendous amount of inefficiencies created by data silos. Because Hardware manufacturers have created their own platforms.

11:07 That is just this, this is the sensor used. This is your platform and this is at an all of the sudden persons were like, oh, if I want to use that sensor and g-sensor just to mention a couple like let's say there's a let's say you had made one instrumentation, you want to use made one, but you also wanted to use some instrumentation from another manufacturer Teledyne aquarium. So the only ones and there you go. Well, now I have to use their platform for days and they'll platform for this. And so we decided we were going to be sensor agnostic. So we're going to develop technology that was sensor agnostic. In terms of, we can plug any sensors that you want. Are you can if you already have sensors, we can actually bring that data into place. We have ways to do it because we see value in becoming that environmental data, have that all the data starts to come in, including complaint data.

11:50 So, discreet data and continuous monitoring data. But then the next challenge comes which is that Okay, well people wanted to come with us. They really like the idea, but I don't have any sensors. So I'll come to you when I get a sensor and then they didn't realize that we needed to be part of the pack complete package and solution. So we do offer sensors, we bring sensors onto the table, but we bring sensors in the sense that we can actually suggest indicative sensors, we can suggest other kind of higher ancestors. But we stay at Gnostic to the manufacturing. All we're doing is integrating them as part of our solution and we become more of a system integrator that point in time. So that's that's really interesting. I like that angle there bed being agnostic, on the sensor. So that way depending on the type of, you know, media you really want to Monitor and evaluate. If there's you know something that's more sensitive or more robust as a you know, a monitoring device, you could use it there or something that they already have, they don't to spend another, you know, ten fifteen thousand dollars on the Monitor.

12:53 And they've got one already that works just fine, right? Yes thinking that is the metrological data option. So I always said invest in a very good weather station and cited properly. Citing the number of times I've seen weather stations sit next to a wall in a building and garlic is my weather station the world. You're never getting a Northerly winds because you got a wall next to it, but it's one of those things, you know, invest in a very good weather station and side are properly. Everything else can actually fit into place and we will will support all that. But yeah, whereas that sensor agnostic. Today's episode is sponsored by Cascade environmental. Cascades Compass corporate sustainability program has been helping Consultants balance economic social and environmental impacts of remediation on projects. 2014. Achieve your sustainable remediation goals by drawing on Cascades leading National capacity technical expertise and their performance focused approach to support any stage of your Project Life Cycle.

13:57 When looking for a firm that can help you meet your sustainable remediation goals, then look no further they and Cascade environmental to learn more. Go to www.sceeto.com v.com that's www.hs K Dash e nve.com as part of the weather station. I mean, do you guys monitor like water levels or water? Or is it just is, you know, is it? Just you know, wind direction is it raining that type of you know what type of data are you collecting on the weather? Yeah my dating temperature. Yeah we always because we do a lot of modeling and we use the cup of models by cyclic with runs out of the cabinet model engine as well.

14:42 We typically look at at least seven specific parameters which is temperature humidity solar radiation is important for cloud, cover and temperature, inversions barometric pressure, humidity and range is the six-pack We actually have in the we do collect range data, the rain data depends on the application can be important barometric pressure. Very landfill doing seen those changes of the barometric pressure, increasing decreasing with the landfill pretty much breathing in and out. It's actually quite interesting and we can forecast that then we can create forecasted research reports. But I can tell you hour by hour. What is the risk going to be on your impression the next 24 hours for yeah, yeah, yeah. I think for the listeners to understand that relationship between a good weather Station and the monitoring devices, you want to know where the odors going? You got to know where the winds blowing, right in. So, that's key.

15:33 Right? Yeah. Absolutely. Should I tell I tell my clients sometimes and young people that I talk to if you stand outside, if you're sitting right now, wherever you are, you walk outside and you need a car Park area and you perceived any order, good, bad, whatever. It is, the only reason your presence because the wind product to you, the wind is the channel. However, struggle, okay, so you need to know and that's the other elements sometimes. Good, very good data for equality, but if you don't have good weather data, that's your only getting half of the picture because you got no idea to know where these came from. You're just gonna go. Well, I already came from. I just know he was high. Yeah. Okay. Where are you going to do with that? And I think that's, that's that's why I always talk about whether data is being probably one of the ones, I emphasize the most, and people underestimate what a good weather station probably could cost and a good sighting of a weather station, sometimes they got.

16:24 Well, I get a 200 dollar weather station in. Am I? Certain like, yeah, but that's going to work you for a couple of weeks and then we don't know whether they're not as reliable. Yeah, well, that's good. See you offer? You offer those types of, you know, iot devices as well as part of the package. So, you know, when you guys, you guys are being called out to kind of start monitoring such, you know, you know an area like, you know, what happens when The data comes in you you've you know and analyzed it, you're starting to understand. Okay, we have we've identified the source we have orders.

17:05 Now what do we do? You know, I think this is where maybe, you know, Josh comes into play to help you but what, you know, talk about what your, you know, what that looks like for you guys when you have that client engagement? Well, we we for almost over a year now young to be having working with George sand. And the team advisors because that was exactly the challenge that we face, then it's like, there's like I was telling about sensors, we fix that one. And then guys like look, I love you're system, you're selling me. Come. Odors but I know my orders are coming from my active face if you're in a landfill. Like like I don't need you to tell you that coming from. I know where they are and I think resting because a lot of times your goal I look of course you know, you'll answer better than me.

17:47 What do I know? I just came in on you for a week. I put a tent. I know you laughs you better than I do or your water treatment plant. But what's interesting is, once you start sensors, putting sensor data, you may come up with some surprises. So things like oh wow, I didn't know that was actually happening then is gone investigate and and Josh and I have had opportunities with clients. We work together, where we going the clients gone. Like I can guarantee you I know where it is and we put in there. Of course we see the orders coming from that area where you go like hey do you realize that when you were having twins no opposite direction. You're also have some high concentration ratings and what about what's in there is like oh yeah we forgot were dead. In a pond down there and we're doing that these days, you're like oh there you go.

18:28 If you had known, that was a condition. Maybe you could have plan about it or maybe there's an external Source, you didn't know. The EPA is doing a project with us in the past, dr. Evan Thomas from the EPA did a project on Robert time where they identified an unknown source just by running a number of trajectory. So you're saying, what does happen with the data? We get this data in here we run reverse trajectories that helps. You understand that? Every 5-minute interval. Where is the wind coming from? And what's happening? Because a clear example is couple of years ago, one of our landfills here in California was like, oh, we can be for things giving massive amount of orders happening and all of a sudden communities into social media. All the community pages are going crazy about the, odors and is going to be the lamp is gonna be the landfill and then they run a trajectory of our system.

19:18 And we told him that 30 minutes before they were perceived the orders, the wind has shifted Right from the west and they will, I look is not as we don't do anything different. They go to the west and have a look at this. A farm in the had just received a tremendous amount of fertilizer manure and was being delivered in that place, and that had come just from the West. However, if you had saved over here and just look, where is the wind coming from, at the time of the complaints that wind was coming from the landfill, or there another 15 minutes before the wind has shifted, and he came across from that area. So, it's not understand it, but to come back to your think, okay? When I know it's me, What do I do? And I think that's where for us is after tremendous amount of work, trying to understand what other landfills were doing, is working with him a bios and actually putting mitigations in place that work at the Active phase so that were killing the source is been the most effective and and I don't want to kind of talk about the George cycle. So he understands it better that me and I probably won't give it a good service on it, but I think Shawn to to get to the point where you're saying, once you know, you are part of the contributor towards the actual Risotto with what's actually happening.

20:25 The next step is. Okay, what will th do you have in place? And there are a number of things you can put, you can put some covers, you can put you can cover completely tanks, you deserve that kind of water, treatment plan but but there are times where there are things that are just much harder to manage and I think with the team in buyers comes in place and it's been, it's been tremendous we seen today that come in where we like when the system is running and not running. Now you see that reduction in the orders? Like we have seen the data happening. So that's very important. Encouraging and very interesting for us for sure. I mean so Josh here Don bring you in on this. Let's talk a little bit about, you know, they've got mitigation needs now, the client says, hey okay, I'm the source andreas's like hey now I've got I'm going to recommend somebody, like a buyer scientific to come in. Talk about what buyers is doing for clients with this scenario and the technology you have to really solve these problems. Yeah, thanks a lot.

21:24 Sean and Let Me Maybe set the table first fire. Scientific is a really unique firm that really is focused on Custom Engineered solutions for indoor, air quality for both commercial and Industrial facilities as well as mitigating odor in ambient air sources. Landfills are a primary example of that. We do have several different divisions of the first I'll speak about is the mitigation technology division. This allows us to really design and deploy different types of equipment, with the ability to mitigate odor. That said I should, I should really take a minute to talk about buyers is made a name for itself in a bit of a different way and really going back to the drawing board if you will. And and understanding the problem set. Sure.

22:11 Landfills have odors sure composting facilities have odors we've taken a minute to better. Understand. What is that? Problem set? What is a help us better? Understand qualitatively and quantitatively? - Lee, what are these emissions? And, where are they coming from? And where are they traveling to? So, a bit of a long-winded answer is with, with the help of Enviro, sweetness partnership that we have. Now we can really understand, not only where these emissions are going but what are the emissions and to see the changes in emissions? Based on barometric pressure or based on meteor lot other meteorological data or the primary source is extremely unique.

22:52 So we have gained And a wealth of knowledge in the last 16 months or so. Really understanding, for example, what happens on a working face when it's covered at night time versus during the day and or what are some emission sources from leachate ponds, landfill gas collection system, so on and so forth. So we've taken a unique approach and saying, let's hit the pause button. Let's really understand and diagnose the problem by way, again of the type of compounds and the concentration of So then address the problem to answer the question. You've asked here landfills are primary source and target for us because of the ongoing emissions that come from the working face.

23:36 We see for the most part, whether it's a privately owned and operated landfill or a publicly owned privately operated or publicly owned publicly operated. We're for the most part. Solid, Waste, folks are getting it, right? I will say, and that means that they're doing the right. Things in managing leachate correctly, they're doing the right things in managing landfill gas, emissions, coming from these sources either collecting them and flaring them, or collecting them, and making a fuel. And so what we've seen over the last couple of years is the primary emission source is really at that work face and now we've got incredible data to show when that team uncovers a run peels, the cover in the morning, you can begin to see that work face really come to life by way of Wallace's and data collection more specifically we've seen where it can be very difficult to use water water. Historically has been a primary vehicle to try to mitigate odor misting systems have a historically been a really common Approach at the fence line or even as the trash is being dumped water.

24:43 In some areas is expensive but it takes a lot of Labor to move the water around. And so what Mark Byers designed and patented was a vapor phase approach Where We Are. Actively taking a liquid neutralizer through a patented process and we're delivering it in a vapor or dry State more. Specifically for this work face application anybody in the solid. Waste industry knows that it's a moving Target, no pun intended, as the cells, grow change and shift. And and as the lifts change and shift, this is a moving living organism, if you will. And so we designed what we refer to, as our 223 M.

25:25 And that is a mobile system that allows us to deploy as that working face area changes and grows to then deploy. A dry Vapor product with proven efficacy to mitigate that mass, but the truly mitigate those odors one thing I'll say is there is no Silver Bullet here. Mitigating odor from a large open-air space on a landfill is probably hard to do, it's nearly impossible to get 100% efficacy. So, What we look at is is a game of angles if you will understanding hyper localized meteorological data, understanding where those emissions are going now and where they're going to be forecasted to go again with Enviro sweets, ability to tell us that in forecasts that and then place the unit accordingly.

26:09 So that we're upwind and downwind. So that we get multiple passes through that, Vapor phase system. This episode is sponsored by buyer scientific, providing an ecosystem, Of omission and odor mitigation solutions to help you operate efficiently, scale, smoothly and Achieve compliance at buyers scientific. They're using data-driven research and the highest industry standards to design develop and manufacture custom compliance Solutions. If you need compliance solutions, that make sense for your industry and operations, check them out at www.body-works.ca scientific.com. So, when you do that and you're and you're putting out your mitigation systems out there mean, is it just one is like a mobile unit or these permanent units? Josh.

27:01 I mean, how does this work in real time? Are? Yeah. So our newest Innovation. Historically, we were we were looking at doing permanent systems along the fence line, if you will. And what we realized was is that true odor. Mitigation is predicated on contact, whether it's buyer. Tiff occur ABC Odor Control. We know now that these malodor compounds must be mitigated and it's done generally by way to different approaches. One is adsorption and that is the reaction that we rely on. The other is oxidation, those are the two most common ways to mitigate Notre. And so to your point of what we like to do is we deploy a 6-inch lay flat hose.

27:44 That's movable. So it allows us to create a almost a V formation around that work face so that we have one. Leg up. Wind, if you will, another one down went. So as that air is traveling over that work face, and allows that Vapor to be passed over the work face again, that mixing area is really critical to get that contact. And then again we get us another pass through the vapor as that air is passing by the work face and then potentially downwind onto a potential community. So what about Josh doing it more? Targeted at you know that. Actual Source release point you know where maybe it's a stack, you know, maybe it's animation step. I mean like to me you don't need to go very far. You've got you've got the exact emission point out, fall or whatever right there.

28:34 Yeah. Have you had success deploying your odor mitigation systems at those types of scenarios. Instead of a you know a large landfill. That's a large area. Yeah. Sean thanks for asking those challenges are much easier lift. Saying we can understand several things about it, not only going back to the analysis piece, which, by the way we do have an entire division, dedicated to that known as buyers emissions analysis, we have two active. Phds on staff, they are teaching professors and they have really given us a significant advantage and not only understanding analysis required to diagnose, air quality issues Again by way of compound and concentration.

29:19 But furthermore, it also Also allows us to really understand those potential sources are flow for example, showing you missed an emission stack. So at that point we can understand temperature considerations, we can understand volume of air CFM. We can understand the speed of the air by way of face velocity and then we can understand. Okay. What are these compounds of what are we looking to mitigate? And what sort of dosing is going to be required? In some applications Shawn, we refer to and use what's known as Atomization or a fracturing of a water droplet into a very, very tiny droplet. Generally 3 to 18 microns in size and this allows us to use water as a vehicle in a forced air application where Vapor may not be nearly as as significant of an impact further to your point, for indoor applications. Transfer stations are a great example, where Dustin odor have been a problem for years and years and Transfer stations and certainly there are some approaches now we're missing will help kind of drop that dust to the bottom. But we've looked at with our molecular filtration technology, a whole other subsets of our business allows us to really address indoor air quality, both commercial and Industrial grade to really attack significant dust and odor issues that are are endorse or inside of a facility. You know, that that may be solid

30:49 waste. And or other different applications that have various types of odor. So here's one that comes to mind. Just kind of thinking out loud here guys. I mean a hog farm a confined feeding operation of you guys deployed your Solution on, something like that because those types of facilities Drive, neighbors, crazy. Quite a Hot Topic, Sean and all that all that Andre speak on that first and then I'm happy to comment. Thank you, Josh. I was, I think I must have bubbles, coming out with signs out of my head. When you were saying that shown because we were, we'd actually one of the biggest I grow manufacturing companies down in South America, and Chile ever super, and so profound, and they have turkeys, and they have Hawks by, she could, that's, that's what it was, some of the major things they do and what's interesting Arresting on that. Is that the controls part is extremely challenging? I mean they have it's an interesting part because I think buyers and diffic not only is the mitigation system. Josh has been talking about, but it's also even filtration systems like they've used in other Industries. But these guys do is they grab these massive areas where all the hooks aren't, they enclose them and they become very large enclosed areas, but they put air filtration systems to write one of the things that you always going to see orders coming out of those.

32:12 What's interesting for me at that, I've learned over the years working with them, is that the order will change, depends on the age of the animals as well. So you're going to start putting controls in place that are going to be based on your operation and week what we do and working with their operation, their team down there is we give them Moreland of saying oh, if the are not the same we have 200 300 Hawks in this area and they are of h x. Then what is the emissions and the emission rate changes how we can produce models I tell you, where is the mission going on? What communities are going to be impacting based on the age of the animals? But it's certainly a very big challenge. I think that at least what I've seen. So far has been a lot more in closing the areas and putting filtration systems in place.

32:55 And what we can actually do is based on weather data, help them, understand air flow through those systems, how to increase the decrease, the temperature, on a bunch of different controls around us. But that's on our side. We certainly invite is a big challenge. I mean, all the controls I've seen in place. You're still get this. Still get those orders coming through and it's a big challenge for sure. Josh helping out there. Yeah, well, yes, or no. Quite the Hot Topic. And what we see right now is that generally speaking. Each state is covered under agricultural farming protection. In other words, these odors that are coming from these facilities at least right now and most capable operations, they're not required to mitigate them.

33:40 And so, although the communities are beginning to push back a little bit, in fact, it was talked about Legislation the state of North Carolina just last week about cafo operations and potentially looking to protect these communities from these, odors. But right now as we understand it, most of these big operators are not willing to spend the money because it's not required. And so whether it's becomes an environmental justice type situation and or a legislative consideration. Right now, we are not active on any of those facilities but we do expect that to change over time here, you got imagine like the big corporate Farmers. The Corporate, you know, producers of, you know, turkeys chickens. You can, you can go down the list that, you know, the big corporate names out there, you know. And you know, those guys are probably thinking they should probably put in mitigation or, you know, some monitoring systems so they can keep the, the locals happy. Hmm.

34:39 What one would think, you know. It's big business and I think as environmental justice initiatives continue to Push forward and communities rally around each other. I think you'll see more action in the future. Yeah well you're seeing Sean I think my experience is being that you're seeing the tell way the tail Winds of the things like ESG and all the corporate driving elements of the sand. I think corporations it is very interesting because they always seemed environmental themes as a cost center all the savings actually driving investment. So that's certainly starting to create out. Wait a minute. If I them Straight years G. Then I'm going to be able to drive better investment more money into the business than I was talking with a guy that works now for IBM, and they are doing very big business in banking, on risk assessments.

35:29 So what's the risk of your business? If you're really not engaging with the community proactively, if you're not doing these things. So I agree with Josh, I think you're going to see a lot more interesting and I were talking about earlier about public sector private sector, we seemed a lot more proactiveness happening at times. It's from that public sector, that truly kind of wants to engage with that Community. But the private sector has been kind of like, well, I'm going to, it's a lot more about a p&l as well as that operation. But, the piano is driving everything. So, now that ESG is coming and playing a role, and it's exist in many shapes and forms in the past, but I feel that we're seeing a very significant push towards environmental social governance and, and that, that's gonna that's going to continue.

36:13 I think that's going to continue to drive. And we Turning our iesg reporting platform, but what I think is, we can fit a lot of the real data that impacts us sustainability reports that can actually help some driving some of it. So I agree. We're going to see probably big changes happening as we keep going this path, but but I think it's just taking that extra shift on mentality is not just a cause now it's actually driving investment into the businesses. Did you know, e tank is the only environmental Rental Equipment company in the industry. Tree that offers a 100% certified clean guarantee and no additional cost. Well, this gives customers the Peace of Mind knowing that container contents from the previous renter, isn't going to cross contaminate the contents of the current customer and potentially cause liability concerns. You know.

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37:49 Yeah, we certainly are and I agree with you was one of the interesting parts that we come into place. And we're always, it's, we're always a trade-off of capital investment or on pretty much civil engineering infrastructure. Change, or do we just control it and manage. It kind of thing because one thing is, like, the say you have a bunch of aeration tanks, do you completely cover your reaction tanks, and then all of a sudden, you don't have an odor, or do we just manage it? Because we are far away from the community, but when I proactively still be on top of what's Opening and to not enough controls as needed, but don't invest the millions of dollars. That probably will take an engineering job to do that. And and and then or is that someone in between like we were wait. We're working on some very large projects right now with water treatment plants were what they're doing is they're implementing other mitigations.

38:37 But it's, that is the situational awareness that now becomes important to them. Is that element of how do I know that things are actually working as expected? How do I know things that are probably studying? To work as well. And the and I think that that's where we start to play a role which is which is fantastic. Because one of the things is nothing better for me that we are able to demonstrate to a client that what they've invested in is actually helping. So was like okay you invested all of these now it's helping but create a baseline so that when it starts to change because things weren't are and change is happening, and a lot of these Solutions are very best box Solutions like every inch. Every plant is somehow the Same.

39:19 But somehow very unique in the way they actually operate on rank. So it's I think that that's where we probably have have added more value. And, and also on the last project that I had on the Water Treatment Plant, just recently, but those guys were saying is we have X number of million dollars to invest in a project that we have to choose. So is that prioritization, where do I go? And with modeling data, you're able to say, well, 80% because of your metrological conditions, 80% of the orders are impacting the They're coming from these tank over here, for example, from these clarifiers section. So yes, your reaction time may be the biggest but because of where you are with your metrological data that may not be, the one is impacting the community.

40:00 The most, you're better off covering the other source. So understanding that becomes very important and critical as well. So when you guys go out to do a deployment I mean yeah well what's the assessment? Like I mean how many you know sensors do you really need to get a good feel for? You know the wind direction, the odors the air quality. I mean we talking I mean I'm assuming it's more than one you know. So what how many does it take really to do a good job? Yeah that's a that I get that question all the time Sharon and I wish I had a, bulletproof answer of Z, this is what it is. But I'm going to make my best effort toward for the audience to answer that. The first thing is to understand you metaphorical conditions, why?

40:41 Because if you have very calm conditions, you're going to need more sensors. Because air is just going to dissipate And go everywhere and you're just having points in a map. Basically, if you have a strong wind conditions happening, you know, that this predominant winds are always never changing. You can actually reduce the number of sensors, but more than the actual having a discrete numbers at all, every X number of miles, you should have a sensor. I think it's more about understanding your app, wind and wind conditions and your wind patterns throughout the year. I use this analogy, sometimes people say, oh my permanent waves are coming from the north and it's like yes, but on that spring time when the kind of Winter does when you have wings coming at different direction and you probably didn't know that because it's one season of the year but doesn't want you to get the most complaints because it's going towards the community.

41:25 So it's kind of understanding those patterns first. So your to your point, one of the first things we do is we will try to understand. Do we have access to it before you become a client even on in virus with do you have any weather data and if you don't can we get hold of any publicly available weather data like are poor so we Weather Underground and a bunch of different applications. We can go and get it and we do a preliminary analysis. Us of what the metrological conditions, to understand how many sensors you're going to deployed as a bare minimum. I like to start with an app going downwind, type scenario. Orca discover all is Northwest and and, and so on. So for sensors and a good metrological session, but more and more clients, when once they see that they go, oh, I want to put one in the community. So they want are the sensitive receptor are okay, fine. I will just now go.

42:10 They, they start building these greens of Defense. I like to call them. So you got from Right. As much as you can just start to build outer rings and the outer Rings allows you to then understand really what's going on in orders. And then you complement that with modeling and that, there you go. You get a, you get a much better picture of the complete solution. And how long do you need to run these systems to really get a good feel for day-to-day operations, like this is what you're going to typically find and this is where we should, you know, put our mitigation system for, you know, long term deployment. Yeah, we are. Normally up and running. I mean relatively quickly right now means supply chain has always been a bit of a challenge since kind of governor was recovering. But once we get our sensors second, our platform. It's a matter of two.

42:57 Three weeks basically are up and running and you're able to start accessing some of these data. However, what we actually then do is we then work with the team and Josh's, you won't be very helpful with some of the clients we already have as well. The have got the joint combined solution to say, let's have a quarterly. Meeting will be doing analysis and start putting hypothesis. Place. So also you get value from day one because you already got data sensors you already get a larger regular soap leading to three weeks. You take want to start getting that but the inside true knowledge over time that you start to build. I actually will say that it takes the full year and once we do the annual report and you start to go, oh wow, I didn't realize these. I didn't see this was happening so I need some time you need some time to build the trend. So you can at least understand you know, the weather patterns and things.

43:46 Like that, you know? So Josh when you, when you come into play here with these types of supporting projects, I mean, you know, how long does the the buyers, you know, systems run? I mean, is it 24/7? Is it time to during you know, certain times of the day when people are, you know, going to be more apt to smell the the odors like, you know, nine to five and then you know kind of tailed off toward the evening or what do you do? Yeah. So we see a little bit of everything. We have some clients that run the Unit Around the Clock especially with composting facilities whether or not they may be open to ambient air all the time. A common approach that we see in solid waste is to really leverage. The intelligent systems division of buyer scientific and and that is our our scada platform.

44:36 And so that empowers us to not only monitor the equipment in real-time, but also to provide real-time controls part of that offering also involves or allow Now's empowers the client to, to use production scheduling. So, Sean almost, I would say probably 80 to 85 percent of our clients say we want the unit to come on at 4:00 in the morning. We wanted to shut off at 6 p.m. at night and we program it as such and the unit effectively turns itself on and off. We can regulate actually delivery rates and because the unit is actually able to store over 60 gallons of neutralizer at any given time these units run for Over two weeks without any interaction from the solid waste operator. And that's exactly what we plan for. We want to liberate Manpower.

45:25 We don't, we don't want to demand it. We know that these facilities have enough to do than babysit, another piece of equipment. So, a bit of a long-winded answer, but, but that production scheduling capability with our coyote and scada capabilities. Our platform, excuse me is extremely beneficial and allows the client to kind of set the unit. Let it do what it needs to do. Well, so Does your system also Josh work off of you know wind wind information? Do you set up a devices as well to trigger the your system? I mean you've got Andres is you know system is kind of showing you the trends and stop. But do you have your own system where hey the winds are high right now? It's going off because you know, it's telling it to go off. I mean, you know, I don't know.

46:09 Yeah, I know Shawn. I understand. So we really we rely on that meteorological data that we get from the Enviro sweet system. Most Up you deploy a system and the environmental monitoring is not a package. We can offer, meteorological data collection. You are showing the challenge of trying to manipulate the operation of the unit with wind is, it's constantly changing. And so you get into a situation where the units coming on and turning off and and so what we've said is, you know, it's really difficult to put the genie back in the bottle. And so, I'm going to most all applications will run that machine throughout the time that that Omission is present. So if that work faces This is covered in the evening, then, you know, the client can dial The Machine down, but if that mission source is ongoing, we'll just allow it to run.

46:54 You know, that odor is going to be carried, wherever the wind takes it and because we're a vapor, and we're a very, very, very tiny droplet that stays are born all the time. It allows us to move with those odor patterns and increase that probability of contact. And so stolen Airborne is a critical benefit to our Vapor phase technology. That's good. So, so if you're somebody who's got an odor problem or an air quality problem, or you know, you're, you know, you're wanting to know what's happening. I mean, or noise vibration issue in virus. Sweet sounds like the great, a great monitoring, you know, platform to help you understand what your problems are where they're coming from. Sounds like we got fire, scientific is like a fantastic mitigation odor mitigation system that can really address. These these problematic odors for communities and And these sources.

47:47 And guys, I really thank you guys for coming on the show today. This has been a great discussion for the listeners. How do they get a hold of you? If they want more information about buyer, scientific and environs week? Yeah. So for by our scientific, you can find us on LinkedIn or simply Googling buyer scientific. Our website will come right up. There's plenty of information there and of course, were ready and willing to look at any applications and have a, you know, a discussion to better understand the Of them said to see how we might be able to help. If so, then I was likewise from virus sweet in virus, with.com or website for the best place to look at. Some find us and they were very much, really excited about continuing developing some of these. And, and at the end of days, it's about creating the situational awareness.

48:35 So, that operations can't really act on it, so that's the key aspect. And that's great, guys. Well, hey, I really appreciate you coming on the show today. I'll make sure that your contact information is on my website. Right and all the listeners can get ahold of you and anytime and you know best of luck in the future here with this new products and you're monitoring systems and it look forward to talking with you in the future. Thank you, sir. Thank you sir. Thank you. Thank you. I want to thank our guests Andres Kayano and Josh rum Bush for coming on to the show today. If you want to learn more about their products and use the services, they offer, please check out their At www.investmentpitch.com or www.by errs Dash scientific.com will also put a link to their contact information and their web pages on my website to listen to Future environmental transformation podcast. You can check us out on all the major podcast networks or from my website at www.ge.com, egg radio.com. And remember, don't forget to follow us, and please write a review about this episode, it helps us increase our placement on all the podcast Networks.

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