Inside the $8 Billion DOE Nuclear Waste Cleanup Program: Steve Moore on Veolia's Federal Services

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We all have responsibilities in
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these are complex problems.
These are not stuff you wake up

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in the morning and say I can
take care of 56,000,000 gallons

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of high level radioactive liquid
waste.

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Welcome to the Environmental

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I'm your host, Sean Grady, and

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today's guest is Steve Moore.
Steve, the President and CEO of

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Veolia Nuclear Solutions Federal
Services Group.

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Steve, welcome to the show.
Thank you on it is a mouthful.

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It's not the easiest thing in
the world to say, but I'm really

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happy to be here.
We've worked together for a

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little while.
This gives us an opportunity to

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maybe die in a little Prince.
The work that the Federal

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Services Group does, in
particular with our primary

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client, the Department of
Energy, that's heavily focused

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on nuclear waste, which I think
is a topic that your listeners

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bullhenge boy, but it's also
your taxpayer dollars in action.

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So keep that in mind when we
talk about how much money gets

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spent.
Absolutely.

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A little painful.
No, this is going to be a good

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conversation.
Excited to talk with you today.

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So, Steve, you know, tell us a
little bit about yourself, how

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you got started in the business
and, you know, how you became

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the president, CEO of Veolia's,
you know, Nuclear Solutions

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Federal Services Group.
Very good.

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So, yeah.
So my background, I've got a

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chemistry undergrad.
I'm an attorney kind of worked

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through a lot of the traditional
government sites that people

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think of when they think of the
Department of Energy.

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I spent a lot of time at the
portable side, the the where

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they enriched uranium in Ohio
built the relationship with the

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different companies and there's
a lot of players that get

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involved in in this business.
So over time I kind of grew into

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I work with Lockheed Martin at
the time and and got advanced my

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career through there, started to
work with a small business, had

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an opportunity to become an
owner of a small business when a

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gentleman retired.
So I had a business that that I

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grew pretty significantly in, in
kind of 2006 to 2015.

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So and we continue to grow.
We had an opportunity to really

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look at the ways that we could
give more people opportunities

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as we continue to serve this
primary client and we reached a

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point where growth was really
organically challenging.

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So we decided let's look for an
acquisition and long, Long story

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short with a lot of different
offers and opportunities.

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I, I got connected with Veolia,
which is, you know, as you know,

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one of the largest environmental
companies in the world sold to

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them in 2018.
Part of that process was then

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used to create their business
here in the US, in particular

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for the government, U.S.
government.

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There's a lot of complexities
when you're a foreign owned

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company and how you try to work
for the US government.

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We were able to do that through
my acquisition and then I stuck

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on and help them continue to
grow and have been working

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through that process ever since
and it's been a lot of fun.

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Tell us, Steve, if you could a
little bit more about the waste

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symposia.
We're here in in Arizona.

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This is a big conference,
probably 1 of the largest

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conferences I've been to.
And to be quite frankly, I've

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never been to a conference with
so many DOE contractors and

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service providers that are all
focused on the nuclear yeah,

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business.
Yeah, this is kind of their, I

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think they refer to it as their
Super Bowl, if you will.

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But so the Department of Energy
has a conference in in Phoenix

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once a year.
And what we really are focused

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on, a lot of people don't
realize is, you know, the US

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government, through the
Department of Energy's

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Environmental Management Group,
they spend about $8 billion a

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year cleaning up.
Really it's, you know, for lack

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of a better term, it really is
the Manhattan Project.

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So I tell people, if you've seen
the movie Oppenheimer, you

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understand our places like Oak
Ridge, TN, Los Alamos, NM,

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right, Hanford, Washington,
places where we did a lot of the

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research, rather a lot of the
testing and everything

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associated with that, enriching
the uranium, enriching the

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plutonium, and the things
necessary to make that happen.

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So the government, you know, was
all full steam ahead and and

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making sure that we had the what
we needed to make that work.

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But the reality is there,
there's a lot of work to do to

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clean all that up.
So it remains one of the largest

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environmental liabilities that's
U.S. government owns.

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This is the symposium once a
year, where we all get together

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and discuss new technologies,
new funding profiles, new things

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that are happening throughout
the complex.

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So when you're at this
conference, do you have

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opportunities to interact with,
say, the DOE directly?

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That's that's the real advantage
of this.

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So there's a couple things that
this is both a, a technical

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conference where there's papers
and, and lots of presentations

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on some of the unique challenges
of if they're waste, how it's

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packaged, how it's handled, how
it's stored, how it's disposed

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of.
But then there's also a lot of

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interaction from the department
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They're kind of listing their
priorities as you would expect

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with new administrations with.
Different.

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Things that that are important
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the government, the opportunity
for them to be here kind of say

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here, here's my top five things
for this year, here's what we're

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worried about on the funding
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So it gives us that real
collaboration opportunity.

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And and you just, you know, when
you get a concentration of

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people together one time, it's
you got to take advantage of

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that because it's just, we're
all busy.

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Absolutely it doesn't happen.
Well, so why is this so

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important for BNSFS to be here
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And what do you plan to
accomplish by coming to this

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event every year?
Well, I think part of it too is

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there's a lot of this industry
is pretty mature.

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There are a lot of companies
that that are larger AE firms

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and different things that are
really focused on helping solve

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this problem for the government.
So for us in particular, this

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gives us an opportunity
obviously here with a client,

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but also to work with our notice
others to say, you know, develop

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those solutions, spend time with
with people in more of a

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networking environment where we
can really look at specific

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problems and specific ways to
try to solve those.

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Lots of follow up meetings and
stuff come from this.

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But anytime you get an
opportunity to get a bunch of,

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you know, really talented people
together, you take advantage of

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it.
And for us, we're really trying

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to hear or listen to the client,
but at the same time, you know,

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engage with our partners and
others to figure out what's the

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right priority for us.
So you mentioned that there's

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opportunities to sit through
trainings, education, but talk a

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little bit about some maybe
maybe the opportunities where

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our people with B and SFS has to
present to the audience about

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what their key experiences are.
And so maybe technologies that

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we offer talk A.
Little bit about that.

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So I mean we do a lot of things.
Again the old is one of the

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largest environmental companies
in the world.

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So we have a lot of depth and
breadth of capabilities.

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Not all of those obviously are
focused on on nuclear waste, but

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in reality, a lot of the same
type of waste issues that that

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people have rather it's landfill
operations or it's treatment

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technologies for stabilizing
hazardous ways.

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The technologies are are still
applicable to what what we do in

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the nuclear world with this just
it also happens to be

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radioactive.
So for us, we've got folks that

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are giving presentations on, you
know, everything from how

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efficient ways of managing
landfills and the leach aid and

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everything associated with that
to, you know, vitrification

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technologies that can turn a, a
chunk of, of radioactive waste

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into a nice little piece of
glass.

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We just, we're going to talk
about that.

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We are, we're not going to get
that paper weight, not good.

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And then we also do a lot of
things with, you know, as you,

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you would understand from
radioactivity, there's a lot of

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robotics associated with that
remote handle things where yeah,

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you simply can't get that close
to certain materials without,

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you know, exposing people to
health issues, issues that that

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that are not necessary.
So it's kind of the full

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portfolio for us.
And again, we can talk about it

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in in technical sessions, but
then we can also meet with the

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client and and be proactive on
what's the next channel.

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Well, I think it's a great
opportunity to demonstrate our

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thought leadership and our
expertise to the industry

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because, you know, what better
way to talk about what we do

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than present in front of a lot
of people, right?

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And, and that's a huge asset to
our company.

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One of the things I was hoping
to maybe get from you is, you

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know, for the audience, what
type of capabilities

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specifically are, you know, the
BNSF group focused on and, and

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how do they deliver that?
Because I think there's, you

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know, a little some maybe know
exactly how or what you guys

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offer as a service.
So talk about that group.

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So we primarily focus focus on
on on waste management

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activities and you know that
that kind of expertise.

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So if we have the full gamut of
whether it's characterizing the

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waste, it's packaging,
transporting and then we have

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technologies we partnered with
some.

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There are two commercial
radioactive waste disposal

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facilities in the US Most of the
actual disposal facilities for

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nuclear material in the US are
owned by the government.

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So OK, we operate some of those
facilities for them.

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We currently operate the two
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landfills that the government
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Washington.
The other is in Portsmouth.

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OH, that we're actually still
constructing part of it.

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So we really have that kind of
expertise.

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And as you know, deep in that's,
yeah.

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And, you know, in your world,
we, you know, Veolia North

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America does a lot of hazardous
waste work.

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They operate a lot of landfills.
Yep.

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So one of the things that we're
really doing is we're partnering

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with some of the other
components of Veolia North

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America and the hazardous waste
group in particular will bring

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in their, you know, subject
matter expertise on landfill

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operations in.
We're sending our folks out.

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And it really is, it's a fresh
set of eyes and it's part of our

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commitment to the client where
we're, we're being it.

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We'll bring in best practices
and there's a lot of stereotypes

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about people doing work with the
government and people don't work

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in a commercial environment.
So what we really want to do is

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blend that together and, and
take, take the best from both.

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So that that's really what we're
focused on is, is kind of that

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those capabilities to kind of
solve some of those unique

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challenges around waste.
Well, I tell you, you know, the

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short period time I've been
here, the capabilities that we

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offer is a full service that's
like 1 Veolia concept.

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Right where it really is.
Where we have water treatment

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capabilities, well, obviously we
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treatment capabilities.
Whether we have, you know, we

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have 3 incinerators, we have a
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Oh, we've got 4 fuel building
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hazardous waste fuels and other,
you know, by products for

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solvent recovery and things like
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There's so many great things we
do, electronic waste recycling.

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Marrying those technologies and
capabilities to what you guys do

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in the DOE space is a game
changer when you think of the

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full package of federal services
that we can offer any of our

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clients in the DOE space.
And I think that's a powerful

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statement to anybody who listens
to what we can do and get

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partnered for so.
I think it's important to what

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we're seeing with this client in
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So obviously we're focused on
the environmental stewardship

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and all the things that are
necessary to be the responsible

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stakeholder that we should be.
But what we're seeing from this

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client is, is a big focus on
taking these assets, the federal

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facilities and kind of
revitalizing them there.

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There's a big initiative from
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a data center or it's additional
energy capacity through advanced

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reactors or even through solar
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And I think again, to your point
about 1 Veolia, we can you know,

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even RSIB group when it comes to
commissioning new data centers.

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What we're seeing from this
client is that, that growth

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opportunity where they're just,
and hey, not only do we want

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this stuff cleaned up
responsibly, but we're not just

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going to walk away from it.
We, we want to take these assets

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that we own and we want to turn
them into the next generation

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of, of, of productivity for.
And right now the focus is

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certainly on data centers and
whether it's our our water tech

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group or or SIB group, there's
certainly opportunities for us

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to bring that one solution to to
the client.

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So when you're here, do you hear
updates on, you know, the

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funding, Yeah, projects from the
the DOE and how that's going to

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happen as part of their
priorities?

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So one of my challenges with
communications in in Beolia or

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or really with our staff or
anything else is the never

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ending saga of government may
shut down government may

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partially shut down government
may open government may have a

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budget may not.
And it's, it's we, we joke about

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it, but it's the same time it is
challenging and, and I think

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anybody who would appreciate
large projects realize that

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starts and stops and
fluctuations funding create

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their, you know, their own set
of unique challenges.

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So for us, what we try to do
obviously is, is as be as

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flexible as we can for our
clients and see that, you know,

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that there's the pluses and
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Because it's not uncommon at the
end of a fiscal year to have a

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surge where there was some
planning work that didn't

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necessarily happen.
And now the client comes, I've

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got some stuff here.
So you know, we like to have

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stuff on the shelf and say, OK,
here's 1-2 or three, right, if

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you feel like that's something
you can do.

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So for us it really is about, I
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being nimble, agile, right.
And I think that's very much

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what is needed from client like
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And it's just a function of the
government and it has its own

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set of challenges.
Rather, you're trying to get in

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the line of TSA or, or you're
trying to get rid of some

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nuclear waste, Eileen.
It's still a challenge.

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When you when you look across
the landscape of DOE and their

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types of projects, are there any
particular locations or, or

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projects that are like that is
like the big one?

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You know, that is like a major
going to be here for a long time

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and there's so many
opportunities for so many

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players to support the the
remediation challenges.

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Which ones maybe stick out in
your mind?

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So the one that's the biggest of
the environmental liabilities

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within the CM program is and
again it's a lot of people don't

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realize it, but from again the
Manhattan Project and kind of

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end in the Cold War, there's
56,000,000 gallons of liquid

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radioactive high level waste
stored at Hanford, Washington in

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above ground storage tank. 56.
Million 56,000,000 gallons.

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It remains the single largest
liability within the DOE

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complex, the current life cycle
baseline projection, which is,

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you know, roughly around the end
of the century, which is kind of

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code for us who've been in the
business long time to say that's

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code for we really don't have
any idea.

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But in, in all seriousness, it,
it's a real issue.

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We're very much involved right
now with, with that client and

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not to, you know, bore people
with too much technical detail,

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but there's, there's grappling
technology, there's, you know,

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liquid separation technologies
there.

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There's a big investment that
the government has made with a,

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a waste treatment plant at
Hanford that's been

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controversial because it has
been behind schedule and over

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budget.
So we're looking at, we actually

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just responded to a request for
proposal to the client to

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provide some alternative routing
technologies to help again, work

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away that in all seriousness,
that's not gonna go away

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overnight.
So it is a matter of kind of an

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all approach to how we can as a
community of contractors work

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that down.
But that's the biggest single

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liability that they have out
there, right?

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Now, so does the DOE have an end
game strategy for the final

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disposition of a lot of this
nuclear waste that's out there?

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I mean, Yucca Mountain was Swan
there for a while, but now is

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there other alternatives that
they're evaluating that's being

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hey, we're going to go this
route or to some others, I mean,

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is there?
So, so, so it's probably not as

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concrete as some people would
like it to be, but this

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administration came out a few
months ago with a request for

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information on a concept of
basically, and I'll might mess

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up the terminology.
It's kind of energy campuses or

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innovation campuses, or they're
really looking at these, again,

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federal assets, these facilities
and they're looking at a variety

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of different additional support
services, consolidated waste

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storage spent for recycling.
And then put as you make, you

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know, you, you recycle as much
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Then you get to the point of
where are we are looking at

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repository, the repository
disposal.

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And that may be part of the
equation too.

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It's a real issue.
Or, you know, Finland is the

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host country here this year.
We always sponsor a, a, a

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country to present and they are
gonna go operational with their

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the repository for storage, for
storage later this year.

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Really.
So it's, it's not A and not the

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again, sound political, but it's
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technical issue.
It is a it is, you know, there's

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gotta be willing communities and
there's gotta be that kind of

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stakeholder involvement for
people to understand, you know,

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this is not something that's
that's going to go away tomorrow

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if you're committing to do that.
But I think the technology is

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there.
I know the technology is there

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to do it responsibly, but I
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step.
I know this current

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administration has aspirations
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But to answer your your other
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So most of the sites
individually, they do try to

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work a lot with the stakeholders
to understand.

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Do you want this to become?
In the Greenfield, do you want

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this to become right a new
nuclear power plant do you want

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you know and really looking at
the assets in the context of the

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communities cuz.
They're like huge brow builds

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essentially, but much more
complex.

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Much more complex, you know,
from an operation standpoint,

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they're also huge employers and
Oh yeah, right.

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Community.
Grow up around.

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Correct.
So what's the right answer for

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each one?
It's you know, it's.

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It could be different.
Wow, yeah, I can imagine.

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I mean, the complexity of trying
to address all of these

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concerns, it's not easy, but you
know, I think there are a lot of

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really smart engineers and
scientists that are here working

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to all really pull the same
direction to help DOE solve

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these problems.
When you're here, you know how

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important it is for us as a
company and you to develop

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partnerships with others that
can deliver the full service of

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maybe a particular scope
because.

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We may be limited.
In one aspect of our business,

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but you know to fulfill a full
scope, we need a partner,

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correct.
What is, how important is that

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for you and and what's our
strategy around that?

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So I have.
Not, I have not copyrighted

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this, but there's a term we all
say in this industry called

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competimates, competimates.
So we certainly have

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opportunities to your point
where our technologies and

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services align with another
company's capabilities to solve

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this solution and we partner and
we do that.

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There are other times when you
know we can do this and they can

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do this and we compete.
But I think this industry has

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matured over the years to where
the committed competitive a

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concept it really is true.
We we all understand and we all

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have, most of us are publicly
traded companies and we all have

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responsibilities in light of
that.

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But in the end, these are
complex problems.

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These are not stuff you wake up
in the morning and say I can

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take care of 56,000,000 gallons
of high level radioactive liquid

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waste, right.
Yeah.

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So, so you have to understand
that it does take collaboration

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and it takes a lot of really
talented people with a lot of a

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lot of different perspectives.
Yeah, I just, yeah, I'm just, my

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mind's still kind of reeling on
56,000,000 gallons of, you know.

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Or, And remember, it's your tax
dollars that are going to

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actually make that go away.
So yeah.

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When come April 15th, realize
what you're what what what, what

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you're signing up for there?
Yeah, actually, I mean, yes,

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it's kind of no different than,
you know, in the in the

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hazardous waste business.
Or.

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Solid waste business, each
company can't really deliver all

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the services.
They can deliver a lot of the

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services.
And you know, we have channel

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partners just like you guys have
channel partners to do, you

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know, deliver on service.
And you know, we work together

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to satisfy and and meet the
demand of our clients.

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And it's a great partnership
when it's all working and

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communication is good.
We need good communication with

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all our partners.
And so we all know our lanes,

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what we can do.
That's real important.

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If you could, Steve, talk a
little bit about the actual

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capabilities that Viola has in
this space and the types of work

453
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,680
you're doing for the DODDOE
industry because I don't think

454
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,240
you know everyone understands it
completely and and so.

455
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:18,880
Be happy to.
That's it.

456
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,440
This is maybe a little Segway to
this.

457
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,400
So just one technology we have,
we have a lot, lot of patented

458
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,320
technology.
This is a vitrification

459
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,280
technology that really focuses
on obviously radioactive waste,

460
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,960
but in particular waste that
have reactive metals, sodium,

461
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,400
lithium, those kinds of things.
You certainly in your hazardous

462
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,440
waste background know the
challenges of of of reactive

463
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,480
metals and at the same time
throw in some radioactivity and

464
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,800
it really does make it
challenging.

465
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,600
So we have a patented technology
called Geo Melt.

466
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,240
We have a couple of facilities,
We have one in located at the

467
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,200
Hanford Site and we have another
one with a partnership with

468
00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,240
waste control specialist in
Andrews, TX at their commercial

469
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,640
radioactive wasteland.
And what this technology does is

470
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,080
it takes high level or, or low
level waste that is also

471
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,120
reactive and essentially
vitrifies them in the glass.

472
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,840
These are electrodes that are
sacrificial.

473
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,360
And you typically see a
combination of, you know,

474
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:19,320
there's recipes with a
combination of the waste and

475
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,960
then surrogate material and then
also the sand and the things to

476
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,680
make glass.
And then this is typically in

477
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:32,320
the, you know, 1500° C range.
It it, it's impressive, super

478
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,960
hot and you end up with a nice
big, a nice glass and then with

479
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,320
that facility, then it goes to
the land disposal in which it's

480
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,880
no.
Longer it's encapsulated.

481
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,720
And it's the longer reactive
metal it'll, it'll continue to

482
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,520
be radioactive of course, but
the the reactive nature of the D

483
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,680
double O3 characteristic is is
gone.

484
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,520
So that's an example.
We're looking at this at the

485
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,680
multiple sites.
We use this with waste from Oak

486
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,880
Ridge, TN with, with raised
waste from the Idaho National

487
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,880
Lab right now and are really
looking at it similar to my

488
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,400
earlier comments.
You know, these are, these are

489
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,480
unique solution providers and
for us we're looking at those

490
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,440
targeted things.
The the waste, for example,

491
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,640
we're doing in Oak Ridge, it,
it's the sodium shielding that

492
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:26,560
was used over 50 years ago to
actually test the opportunity to

493
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,360
build a nuclear powered Airfrag.
So, so again, those are the

494
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,160
things you get into and you
realize there's something that's

495
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,960
been in storage for over 50
years and now all of a sudden,

496
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,960
you know, we have a safe,
regulatorily compliant solution

497
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,040
for that.
And let's figure out a way to

498
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,640
work that image way down.
You know, I think this is such a

499
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,680
great example to showcase the
technology for somebody just

500
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,120
coming by the booth or just
curious about what is the end

501
00:25:56,120 --> 00:26:00,800
result of a GO Melt product for
the listeners and and those

502
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,680
watching.
I mean, this is an actual block

503
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:09,160
of I think concrete here, but
inside is the hot radioactive

504
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,600
material and then it's encased
completely into in a glass

505
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,800
through this melting Geo melting
technology.

506
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,960
It it's pretty fascinating.
I think it's really great that

507
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,920
this is a a solution that is
eliminating your radioactive

508
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,440
exposure by encasing it in
vitrified type container.

509
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,760
Is it safe to say though this
like this is our technology, but

510
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,760
there are other companies doing
similar, yeah.

511
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,880
There are product side delivery,
yeah, a lot of it has to do

512
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,560
vitification as a technology is
is a common in the hazardous

513
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,000
waste world certification using,
you know, different types of

514
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,120
material to be heated up and and
encapsulated.

515
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:52,200
That's what you're doing.
So, yeah, the patent here really

516
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,400
is related to the method and
this is a batch process, not a

517
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,080
closed loop process.
And kind of the way we have

518
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,120
sacrificial electrodes and that
approach, it's a proven

519
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,960
technology.
It's rather robust.

520
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,760
We configure it differently
depending on the size and then

521
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,280
the end state if they needed,
hey, we need this it to be end

522
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,320
up in a drum, we need this to
end up in a box and we have the

523
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,120
flexibility to do that.
And to your point of there, I

524
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,320
got I got some engineers who
could they could do 2 podcasts

525
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,640
on, on on how the well we'll.
Probably talk to the We'll get

526
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,080
Rob Mitchell out here at some
point.

527
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,480
They'll leave me behind pretty
quick, right, right.

528
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,200
Really passionate about this
technology.

529
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,240
No, it's, it's really great.
And, and, and to see, you know,

530
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,560
kind of like the actual results
in the, you know, technology

531
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,520
right here in front of you
really kind of brings together

532
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,800
the whole concept.
And so it was really good to

533
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,600
learn that this week for me.
Yeah, as a as a.

534
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,640
Partner with you.
The other nice thing we've done

535
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,760
with this to echo your point is
we've taken the DOE client to

536
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,680
the facility and you know, it's
the shows them and models and

537
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,040
and PowerPoints are cool, yeah,
but you stand there and you see

538
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,640
you know this is how it happens
and there's the end product and

539
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,680
and everything else in it.
Again, the other thing I would

540
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,200
say is that was a investment
that Veolia made in a facility

541
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:13,960
where we didn't actually have a
backlog and a long term

542
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,800
contract.
We saw the need, we understand

543
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,360
the long term issues of the
client.

544
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,600
So we've proactively developed
this facility and are now this

545
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:23,800
room where we're doing the
podcast.

546
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,280
We've had half a dozen meetings
this week about how we can

547
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,440
continue to to solve these
challenges and problems that

548
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,240
that this technology helps.
So how big can these encased,

549
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,840
you know, GMO products?
I mean, how big?

550
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,760
Can they be, so, you know,
there's theoretically, you know,

551
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,160
lots of different scenarios, the
kind of the, the sweet spot size

552
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,640
is a 6 by 6 by 8 box.
And that's kind of, that's kind

553
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,720
of what we've got set up.
Our facility in Texas also has

554
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,320
the ability to have, have two
units and it's rail aligned with

555
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,520
rail to where you move one box
in, let it cool, move another

556
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,480
box over here and, and be able
to, to configure it that way.

557
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,680
But it is a, it's a flexible
technology.

558
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,800
And we're actually looking at,
one of the things we're looking

559
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,400
at somewhat unrelated to the
kind of the nuclear waste world,

560
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,040
is that there's a lot of
classified shape or associated

561
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,080
with weapons programs and things
in the past.

562
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,480
And, you know, what needs to
happen is those shapes need to

563
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,040
be destroyed before they're
disposed of.

564
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,480
And this is something that we've
been in discussions with some of

565
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,120
the security people.
It's kind of interesting because

566
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,320
we don't know where they are,
how many they are or what they

567
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,920
look like.
But we know they're shapes.

568
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,520
So.
So we're working with the client

569
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,480
to see again, because the
technology makes sense and and

570
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,680
the application for it would be
again different from a

571
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,520
radioactive standpoint, but it
is, it's a really cool

572
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,960
technology that can can do a lot
of different things.

573
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,560
This is, it's, it's, it's great.
You know, when, when you're here

574
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,400
and you're looking at everybody
and you see all these partners

575
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,080
and there's just so much
happening.

576
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,880
And then, you know, one starts
to think after you start to

577
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,720
learn about what the DOA
strategies are and things like

578
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,760
that for, you know, addressing
their big challenges, how does

579
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,080
that help you formulate your
growth strategy for our support

580
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,120
of the DoD or I mean DOE and and
how we grow our business

581
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,280
throughout the US?
Yeah.

582
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,360
So I think a lot of people don't
necessarily realize, but you

583
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,680
know, the US government is the
largest single employer in North

584
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,720
America, right?
They have the most facilities,

585
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,720
the most real estate, the most
fixed assets.

586
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,600
So for us what we're really
wanting to do is our growth

587
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,960
strategy is really wanting to
focus on how do we bring the

588
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,920
full portfolio of services of
Viola North America to not just

589
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,320
the the part of energy client,
but to the government because we

590
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,320
have that full capability.
And as I mentioned earlier, you

591
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,600
know we have as being a four
known company, there are certain

592
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,160
things that we have to do a
little differently still for the

593
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,920
US government.
We can do classified work, we

594
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,320
have clearances, we have those
kinds of things.

595
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,640
And in order to do that, what we
want to do is, is align

596
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,920
ourselves with the government in
general because of the growth

597
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,080
opportunity there.
And like I said earlier, bring

598
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,000
the full capabilities of Veolia
North America to the client.

599
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,200
Some things are going to make
more sense for the Department of

600
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,560
Defense, some of them make more
sense for maybe NASA or some

601
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,680
combination.
But we really believe we've only

602
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,840
scratched the surface on what we
as a as Veolia can do with one

603
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,360
Veolia with the largest employer
in North America.

604
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,280
Well, I think it's really it's
powerful statement from our

605
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,120
company that really wants to
focus on the growth of our

606
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,640
federal business.
You know, you mentioned some of

607
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,040
the things that you guys are
doing like you know, you're a

608
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,840
mitigated entity within our own
company so that we can actually

609
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,720
comply with all the FAR
requirements and the CMCACMMC,

610
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,480
you know, cyber security
requirements and cost accounting

611
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,440
and things like that.
And us as a company can work

612
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,600
with you.
I mean us meeting our

613
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,880
environment or has waste
business can work with the

614
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,960
federal business under the same
umbrella.

615
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,920
Yep.
That's a that's key because now

616
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,240
we have the flexibility to
really deliver that full one,

617
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,240
the only approach and so can our
water business and so can yeah,

618
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,520
I mean it's, it's really, it's
really a great opportunity.

619
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,960
And I think too when you look at
bring up you look the

620
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,280
initiatives that that are so
important to Paris and as we

621
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,800
continue to move forward is
right.

622
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,920
Again, this is a bit of an
untapped market in that sense,

623
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,960
right, That the US government
market is, is, I used to joke

624
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,480
with people, it's the, it, it's
in your 4-O1K, It's, it's the

625
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,400
stable growth fund, right?
It doesn't get you jumping out

626
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,600
of bed in the morning, but it
helps you sleep a little better

627
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,760
at night, right?
And, and, and I think that's

628
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,360
what it's a.
Steady, constant, slow.

629
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,360
And I think for for a growth
company like Veolia, I think

630
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,880
some time spent working through
the never ending challenges of

631
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,840
working for the federal
government is probably going to

632
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,400
be worth it in the end.
Well, I, yeah, I agree.

633
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,120
So it's, it's really exciting
times.

634
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,120
I think we're in just a kind of
a new era, so to speak with the

635
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,760
new administration.
I think it's going to really

636
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,480
develop new opportunities that
we haven't seen before.

637
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,240
I think there'll be an emphasis
on doing things quicker, yeah,

638
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,440
rather than slower and less
process red tape versus let's

639
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,480
get going and do it.
Have you heard feedback in that

640
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,880
space?
I mean, it's definitely the, the

641
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,160
mantra of this administration
and, and having done this for

642
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,440
over 30 years now, there's a
little skepticism from any

643
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,480
administration change because
again, great ideas and great

644
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,640
initiatives we all support.
But you know, we like to joke

645
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,240
that, you know, the, the federal
government, Department of Energy

646
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,240
in particular, it's, you know,
it's a bit of a battleship,

647
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,320
right?
So moving, moving and in most

648
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,760
cases, administrations have
windows, windows of opportunity,

649
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,440
but this administration is
clearly committed to the things

650
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,520
you just said.
And we're seeing, we're seeing

651
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,640
tangible results, right?
The data center developments at

652
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,680
these sites and the
conversations earlier this week

653
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,720
where you've got a, a commercial
data center coming in and

654
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,960
they're saying, Hey, I want to
have access to this site by this

655
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,520
day, right?
And you know, knowing that if

656
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,639
you, if the department doesn't
say yes, they're going to go

657
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,080
somewhere else, right?
So, so I think we're seeing some

658
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,440
of that and I think time will
tell.

659
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,080
I think there's momentum that's
being built that these are

660
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,000
things and, and again and again,
it's always a balance, but with

661
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,520
the regulatory framework, the
decision documents, the records

662
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,639
and decision, the circle of
sites there, you know, there's a

663
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:33,719
huge environmental envelope of
safety and and care to the

664
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,280
communities that very much
intact, not in any way being

665
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,239
circumvented.
You know, it's just we're trying

666
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,360
to figure out ways to be nimble
and be flexible while we're

667
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,520
still protect human health and
the environment, and we're

668
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,280
seeing all that happen.
Well, you know, one thing that

669
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,000
I've after we have a bit of some
aging population in our

670
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,960
workforce.
And what would you would say to

671
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,680
a young professional just trying
to break into this space who,

672
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,800
who is attracted to say the DOE
market space?

673
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,360
Because I can tell you from
experience, the DOE market

674
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,960
environmental space is a little
different than the industrial

675
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,440
commercial environmental Azure
space.

676
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,520
And so, you know, you're, we're
all working in the same kind of

677
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,160
mission to protect and human
health, the environment.

678
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And, but they're different, you
know, industries in the South

679
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,920
and it's, it's how, what do you
recommend for somebody?

680
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,600
I spend time with with the own
panels with college age kids and

681
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,360
and others and, and it's you
know, what I describe with this

682
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,760
industry is, you know, it's
complex and I think for people

683
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,960
that really want to be
challenged and really I pry into

684
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,080
the the we are cleaning up the
the challenges of the past.

685
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,520
Right.
And since the past is what A?

686
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,600
Lot of people would say it's a
noble mission and there were

687
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,600
great reasons why we did what we
did.

688
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,200
But I think again, we owe it to
the country and those same

689
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,840
communities that sacrifice to
make all those things happen, to

690
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,920
really do what is right by them.
And and it's a noble cause.

691
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,640
And the other part of that for
younger people is, I don't know,

692
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,560
a market that has as you know,
as many challenges.

693
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,600
So there's unique issues with,
with types of material, with

694
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,720
waste.
And as as the program matures,

695
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,640
you know, it's only the harder
stuff that's left.

696
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,680
So if you want to be challenged
and you want to really feel like

697
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,400
you're having an impact that is
generational, it's, it's a good

698
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,920
industry to be in.
It is, it's also what I'm seeing

699
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,040
with this administration is
their ability to then look, cuz

700
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,120
you know, the theory in part was
where you're just working

701
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,160
yourself out of a job, but with
what they're wanting to do,

702
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,320
developing, redevelopment or
something else, you know, you're

703
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,600
just.
You're more jobs.

704
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,040
You're just moving it forward,
right?

705
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,280
You're bringing in a
modernization approach to

706
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,560
different things, and I think
that's really exciting.

707
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,240
Well, that's great.
That's great.

708
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,480
Well, Steve, really appreciate
you coming on the show today and

709
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,760
talking a little bit about what
you know BNSFS is doing and and

710
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,400
how you are helping clean up the
DOE sites that are around the

711
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,720
the US and really excited to see
what happens in.

712
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,800
That it's the exciting time, but
anytime there's a hint of a

713
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,080
government shutdown, please pray
for me so that that would be

714
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,960
appreciated, that appreciate the
time and enjoy talking to you

715
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:14,880
always.
Absolutely.

716
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,000
Thank you, Stanley.
Thanks for listening and

717
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,320
watching the show.
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718
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719
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720
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