Smart Seeds, a GHD Digital design-led innovation program.

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Have you ever wondered how great
ideas that solve challenging

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problems?
Make it past the initial

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conceptual design phase to
actually be implemented as a

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solution that addresses the
problem on a full-scale?

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Well, today we explore the
incubator of ideas where

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emerging leaders are trying to
solve complex problems in a

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program, led by ghd called smart
seeds.

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So listen up.
It's going to be a great show.

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Can't wait.
Welcome to the environmental

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transformation podcast where we
talk with industry leaders who

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are making an impact and their
businesses, each leader is

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solving complex challenges and
provide Solutions within their

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respective areas of expertise.
Our host is Sean Grady.

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His passion about helping
clients, transform their

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businesses and solving their
environmental challenges and

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here's our host, Sean Grady.
Today's guest is one of my mates

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from Down.
Under Mi Coker miles is a

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strategic design lead with
d-lab.

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One of ghd's digital Global
Innovation practices as a

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qualified and experienced
environmental engineer.

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Miles has extensive experience
establishing and managing design

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lead initiatives in water
environment and Community

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Development.
Including smart seeds, miles is

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going to shed some light on the
smart seeds, design-led

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Innovation program, and its
impact on local communities and

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businesses during our show
today.

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Mi welcome to the environmental
transformation podcast.

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How you doing mate?
Very, very well.

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Thank you, Shawn.
Thanks for having me.

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I like your use of the word,
nice.

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This is really, making me feel
right at home.

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That's right.
I'm so excited to have this this

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interview with you.
I gave the listeners a little

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bit of a bio intro on you
earlier.

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So they've got a little kind of
snapshot of what, who you are,

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what you do.
So that's exciting.

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And we'll let you get into a
little more of that here soon.

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But you know, a couple years ago
when I met you when I was in

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Australia, I was intrigued about
this program, the ghd created

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and that you were involved with
called smart seeds and from what

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I gathered it's a design-led
Innovation program with the goal

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of solving challenging problems.
You know that businesses and

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minute and municipalities are
having and so I thought you know

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that's be a great show to have
and maybe you can give us a

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little more information about
the program we can talk about

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it.
Fuel.

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It's not seeds of been really
privileged to be part of this

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monthly program.
So look, let's go back to the

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beginning.
It was founded in 2012 by a

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colleague of mine called, Claire
Dixon's, really entrepreneurial

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thinker a very much a social
thinker as well.

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Clear saw the opportunity to
bring diverse stakeholders

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together, the stakeholders that
are needed to solve some of

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society's most complex
challenges and Stakeholders that

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don't always get to work
together from the outset.

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We typically segment, we
segregate our problem solving

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and so to break down those silos
and bring those organizations

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together, we saw potential value
there.

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What we then did was engaged
with organizations say around a

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city, a place, it began in
Melbourne.

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So we engage with the public and
private sector there and we ask

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them.
Do you have emerging leaders?

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Young professionals.
Those that are at the beginning

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of their careers that haven't
quite been conditioned, like us

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the seasoned professionals.
I think exactly that may be out

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of shit.
Fresh line, provide a fresh pair

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of eyes on these challenges,
right?

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So that we might actually make
some some tangible progress.

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A lot of these challenges are
really hard to shift.

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So we designed a program that
would Not only engage these

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emerging leaders in a, in a
program that enables them to

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collaborate but we also built
their capacity to think in

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different ways.
Take on different mindsets,

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really inspired by Design
thinking and a lot of the human

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centered approaches to
problem-solving, creative

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approaches to problem-solving
these brooches.

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Haven't always been introduced
particularly the technical

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professionals.
So if you've studied engineering

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like myself, we are very much
analytical thinkers based on

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science and evidence design
thinking has elements of that

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but is also very open to New
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So and very much rooted in the
experience of people and so we

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introduced the process, the
tools enabled.

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By Design thinking practice and
allow them to practice it on the

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challenges that are very much
relevant to them in their in

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their home surrounds or their
working environment.

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So seed over 10 weeks, these we
might have 40 participants from

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across different sectors and
organizations working together.

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Maybe six teams of six six or
seven and they'd all be focused

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on a different Don't Challenge.
And then over those Ten Weeks,

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pick up different skills, work
for a process and then be able

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to pitch back the ideas.
So I guess the challenge leaders

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or the challenge authors that
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So yeah, it's proven to be very
empowering and inspiring I guess

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they're all of you.
Well, that's kind of what I took

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away from the information.
I read on the website about

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smart seeds and it kind of
struck me Interest.

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I was I was interested in.
How do you guys engaged?

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You know, and encourage outside
stakeholders in the public and

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private sector to get involved
in these projects?

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Yes, o GH D.
We have really are in a

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fortunate position to have
really trusted relationships

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across yeah a whole range of
different sectors and and

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organizations.
So we are able to pick up the

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phone and identify people who
are, I guess passionate about

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similar things.
Not necessarily their day job

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but the impact that they would
like to, like through their

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careers, through the influence.
So that's a really good starting

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Place.
Being able to pick up the phone

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and say, hey, we've got an idea.
We'd like to bring together

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people to solve complex problems
in ways that we haven't done

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before.
Are you interested?

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And generally we found it was a
it was an outlet people, very

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eager.
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Like they were probably kill me.
Know what I've been looking for

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somebody to ask me this
question, right?

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I mean Have problems who doesn't
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Exactly.
I mean, and on the flipside of

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that, it's different.
So some people, some

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organizations, find it hard to
engage in things that that are

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maybe new ill-defined a little
bit ambiguous because it's quite

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exploratory.
So, sometimes it takes a few

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conversations before people get
comfortable and they just have

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to jump in and say, well, we
don't know what it is.

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We haven't experienced that yet
but we trust you.

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Come along the journey.
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Right.
Right.

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Well, I mean so what type of
challenges and problems are the

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emerging leaders trying to
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You know, like what are these
types of challenges these these

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leaders in the private public
sector been bringing to the

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smart seeds group.
Yeah, so I guess if you think of

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all the complex factors, the
environmental factors that we,

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we need to Grapple with more and
more.

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In the way we do business in the
way we design solutions for

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cities or between cities the way
we educate.

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Kate people so very much
societal why we take care of

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people's Health?
We find that these are all

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cross-sector issues.
So the starting point for a lot

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of these challenges will be
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How do we adapt?
How do we make more resilient

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cities?
It may be around health and

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Health crisis.
So I mean, I can imagine if we

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launched a smart seeds in a city
today, something will be around.

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How do we adapt to Panda?
Hammock, and how do we design

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institutions from some places,
right?

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Yeah, yeah, all that.
So it's the things that we can't

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solve alone, that we need to
engage with each other, to be

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able to kind of navigate this.
And, and I guess one of the most

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challenging elements of the
program is, there is no

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well-defined problem here.
It's very ambiguous.

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It's and, and is unlikely to be
one single solution that will

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solve.
These things, it needs to be a

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portfolio.
It needs to be a collective

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effort, and even then your
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May change the problem.
And so, it's this wickedness,

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that you can't quite ever catch.
There's all kinds of these

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challenges, right?
I'm assuming and a lot of inputs

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discipline, you know, solving
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I was looking on again, back on
that website and I saw some of

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the YouTube videos that were
posted about the, you know,

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successes of some of the
sessions.

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And you talked about the, you
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that's going on right now, and I
know that ghd's just recently

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were, was involved with an
acquisition of movement

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strategies or is that it's at
the name movement strategies?

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That's right?
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And that's like one of the ideal
Perfect Solutions of, you know,

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solving some of this covid-19,
you know, pandemic, social

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distancing and treat people
tracing type thing.

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And I, and they've been kind of
involved in smarts For quite a

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while.
Look like, Yeah, so movement

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strategies.
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Their business that have been in
doing their thing for quite a

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long time.
They've recently joined, ghd,

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and remarkable timing.
I daresay the foresight to bring

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in a movement strategies
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On the verge of a pandemic has
been really interesting for us

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because we've been out of lean
on them heavily in the way that

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you know, if we're designing
hospitals How do we design them

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to then minimize the movement or
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virus print?
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How do we construct or continue
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infrastructure projects.
When we now need to physically

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distance, these are all very
different considerations to how

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many of these projects would
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they need to change if they're
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Rapidly and so movement
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They have the capabilities and
the data to support these

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strategies to change the way we
work to to improve the flow of

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people and reduce risk.
Yeah I've seen some other

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information out there and you
know just watching the the flow

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of people and the interaction in
the time periods and being able

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to map that out I think there's
a lot of opportunity and

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potential.
The to really help solve this

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problem, you know, some of the
other types of problems that you

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know or interesting outcomes
that you've seen in the program.

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I like what, you know, what are
some of the other interesting

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challenges that were kind of
solved or at least identify this

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good Solutions that's come out
of the smart seeds program.

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Well, a lot of utilities weather
and water or power a lot of

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Transport authorities.
There's a lot of organizations

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that provide public service and
they own a lot of land.

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And so traditionally a water
business would be concerned

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really with the singular
function of either transporting

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water or cleaning water or I
guess I flee conveying water to

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reduce flood.
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look at what else.
What other benefits can these

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organizations provide and work
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So some of the challenges have
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transport, how do we repurpose
land that is underutilized,

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sure.
They might be transport

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corridors for instance, where
you've got a rail Corridor in

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cut.
So you've got Essentially space

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above the rail which may
segregate to suburbs, how can

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you repurpose that land above a
rail Corridor to provide

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additional benefit to community
whether that's to connect to

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community?
So enable suburbs to flow,

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right?
We're well like we you know

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there's some of those examples
here like Rails to Trails.

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So we've got a lot of old rail
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are a, you know, being used any
longer and Run right through

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minute major, you know,
neighborhoods and communities.

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And it's like well let's create
a green space and a you know an

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area of outlet for people to
walk and ride their bike and run

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and it's like a nice park.
Almost, you know, linear Park

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that people can so, is it
something like that is, what's

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come out of some of this, this
work?

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Exactly.
I mean, one of the best examples

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recently at 2013 and 2018 in
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tough.
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that there was some
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potential, what might we do as
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and companies Is that okay?
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stations that are maybe coming
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There's some land there.
How do you repurpose and this

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team?
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opportunity for more Community
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with the opportunity for
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growing, their own food in
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yeah, I love that.
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actually now underway.
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starting plant and benefit from
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their crops in Sydney with the
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So you know these are they using
the the using the produce to

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feed, you know like you know
homeless shelters or you know

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schools or or you know local
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advantage of the opportunity to
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in these areas.
I think that's what the solution

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looks like.
It's Kyle for sure.

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I mean, at the very beginning, I
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Harvest may be limited in its in
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But certainly, as you scale,
this type of thinking, you start

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to reimagine what Supply chains
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looks like, I mean, in
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stage 4 restrictions.
We've got a covid outbreak that

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everyone's trying to get on top
of We've got a curfew and now I

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can't go out after 8:00 p.m.
This is a, I've never even as a

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teenager, I wasn't didn't have a
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the interesting things is, you
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food processing there.
Now on limited output, they've

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had to reduce the workforce to
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transmission and Yeah, we're
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food that we would ordinarily
access and so yeah, communities

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will continue to think well how
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these types of ice is thickest?
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pandemic is really kind of made
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their own, you know, use of
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own crops and be their own Urban
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we're going to grow a garden and

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this will be for covid actually
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to plan this.
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side yard and we've got every
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now and flowers and things like
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Just have her own, you know,
food and to have, you know,

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within the city that you're
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know, take advantage of the area
and the In the produce that is

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phenomenal.
I think that's a great outcome

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for that and for repurposing
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the the transit authority are
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community, but really pleased
for the outcomes for the people

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who've worked on this idea.
I think there's wonderful upside

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for organizational culture for
recognizing, the entrepreneurial

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and creative Spirit of people
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ideas.
Come to life is a remarkable

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experience for people.
So early in their careers that

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may not necessarily have
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I have to change established and
then we can smart suit is

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provides that that playground,
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some like I want to say it was
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something like that where
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you know, Barrier Reef I'll to
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sand on the beach and in some
specific City there on the

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Ghost.
And I thought it was like pretty

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ingenious and I was curious like
do we is that does that going to

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get, you know, some legs, you
know in you know real world here

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we're going to be able to take
that to you know, prototype.

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smart seeds.
There's a lot of similar

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programs, run all over the
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So it's not.
So it started in 2012, the term.

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Could stolen or Design Lab was
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then certainly over the last 10
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these ways of working and
thinking what established

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organizations like government
and private Enterprise needs to

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continually.
Work on is how do we mobilize on

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new ideas?
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organization's I work mostly
with they are founded on robust

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science and evidence and
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analytical thinking, and with

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these complex challenges, we
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creativity and entrepreneurial
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Experimentation Learning by
doing and there's still a long

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way to go before.
We can actually efficiently work

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towards some of these are the
eight years ideas, right?

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So some of the ideas that are
being you know brought forth and

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you know conceptually they're
fantastic, right?

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I mean they're just you know
they're really creative and you

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ingenuitive and but they can't
always really be implemented.

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Can they I think is that is that
some of the challenges that you

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see?
E with with some of the outcomes

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here.
Absolutely, it's hard.

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That's materialize it to the
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And that I mean they might have

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limited potential when it comes
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that we set out to achieve.
We've made some assumptions and

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either the feasibility or the
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doesn't stack up.
So but often we don't get that

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far.
We don't learn enough to make

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that.
Form decision to say, it's been

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good.
We've decreased the process but

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we're going to park that because
we think there's value

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elsewhere, we often don't get
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We we caught the stagnation
Chasm between coming up with a

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high potential idea and acting
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really slow down and it's this
Gap that we work really hard to

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try and enable organizations to
be comfortable in that space and

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to focus on tangible outcomes.
Incremental experimental

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outcomes prototyping is a
wonderful tool to be able to use

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to bring these ideas to life.
Yeah and really pump pump life

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into them because otherwise they
stay as ideas and ideas are

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cheap and you got to try things
right, you got to try things and

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I think it's the process.
That these emerging leaders are

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going through that, they're
going to be able to take that

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experience into their next
project or their next level of,

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you know, worked at they're
going to have to Involve with

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and have a new way of thinking
about solving a problem, right?

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And we've got some great alumni
stories from Smart side.

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So we've you know, we've got
these emerging leaders obviously

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very talented and smart seeds,
may be their first one of their

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first forays into
entrepreneurial thinking, right?

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But soon after we find These
people starting their own

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initiatives.
So we either as interpreters

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within the organizations, that
employ them or entrepreneurs,

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they start their own Ventures.
And so, we've got a number of

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startup Founders that have
either left their day job or

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doing it as a Moonlighting.
Moonlighting seguir great got a

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nice digs.
Yeah, we've and they're enjoying

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that that outlet because they
are able to put into practice

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not only.
The analytical skills or the,

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the pigeonhole that they've
been, you know, that the job

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description they've been given
right?

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You're able to explore these
other outlets and bring it all

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together.
So, we've got startups in data

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analytics, and particularly
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Lab startups in artificial
intelligence, apply around

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water, and flood analytics.
We've got a start-up in sir.

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Circular economy and more
strategic and design approach to

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enabling circular economy
solution, so, and and all of

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these are deeply rooted in
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So, you're behind us.
There's a cause behind it that

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there are getting behind, right?
I mean, they see the just, you

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know, the benefit of it.
Well, so I guess one of the big

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questions is if you were an
emerging leader, how do you get

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invited to participate in a
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A query event, I mean, that's
kind of, like, if I was a young

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professional coming in and be
like, I want to be in that

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program.
Exactly.

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So there's programs running now
or trying to run.

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Now it's very here we've had to
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is is in train so we've got a
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okay?
I would suggest the best way is

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to get to the website and get in
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Introduce yourself and say,
look, I'm in my case miles from

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ghd, I love the purpose of the
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Isshin in the program, I'd say
they'd be benefit for for me and

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my colleagues and my
organization get involved.

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How do we go about it?
And then we can, we can we can

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help because it's all it's a
movement and it's very much a

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Grassroots movement.
So we can identify with the

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energy lives and there's someone
in Toronto that wants to get

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this up.
We can get around that.

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That's, that's wonderful.
And we and we can tap into our

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networks and and, and bring it
to life.

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So if If a program isn't asking
inviting right now, there's no

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reason why we can't start it up.
Sure.

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Right.
Well, I mean, that kind of

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segues into my next question is
like, so I see smart seeds been

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around for eight years now,
right?

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And are there plans to expand it
to the United States, you know,

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we're in Toronto, we're in North
America, that one would just

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come down South of the Border
here, a little bit, get into the

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United States.
We'd love to probably have that

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program here and start out, you
know, Group here in the United

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States.
I can't imagine why we would not

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just be all over that.
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And and people calling for it.
So I've been involved in early

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discussions and even discussions
with a whole range of different

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organizations based in the
States and Canada that are

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really key so Waterloo and
Toronto that region the mid-con.

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So Dallas and Wonderful places
like that smart seeds is known

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about and it's just a matter of
building enough of a movement to

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bet.
You know, that critical mass

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right now to be able to launch
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And we're getting, I think, what
we've learned over eight years

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is how to quickly enable Smart
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Your doesn't need to be a heavy
Beast.

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It doesn't need to be intensive,
we can use technology.

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We can Use very agile ways of
working to get these things off

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the ground quickly.
Well and there's a lot of

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collaboration with other
individuals and other entities

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in this, this process.
So, you know there's

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universities, you know, there's
other businesses or

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municipalities.
I mean, these young leaders

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aren't just people from say ghd
there are mean they're from all

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over.
You know, when I when I looked

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at some of the information in
the footage on the on the

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website I mean you had you know
a Great, you know, participation

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from a lot of different people
from different, you know, parts

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of the the, you know, the region
that you are doing the, the

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events and individual
businesses.

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I think that's a great, you
know, model to go from because

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then you're bringing different
disciplines and different ideas

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different experiences into this
process.

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Exactly.
Yeah.

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And we've had wonderful support
from as you say, universities

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both in a research and
development.

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Capacity.
So a lot of universities

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spin-out remarkable startups and
technologies that take, they

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take to Market.
And we've had teams mentored by

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these startup Founders.
Particularly in Adelaide in

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Australia, we had some wonderful
startup, Founders mentoring

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teams, providing that
entrepreneurial mindset and band

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support and also the
universities who are interested

458
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in supporting their alumni,
those that they've had, that it

459
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,000
Brad.
A Jew at enter, the workforce,

460
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:13,200
maintaining that connection and
supporting him in the next phase

461
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,600
of their careers wonderful
support again.

462
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,800
So we we host smart seeds
events, within University

463
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,000
design, Innovation Labs.
We include entrepreneurs that

464
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,800
have spun out of Academia or
research and development from

465
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,700
universities.
It's very much in.

466
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:35,900
We've got an ecosystem, around
example, and smart seeds is

467
00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:38,800
housed under the G, HD digital
All business.

468
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,800
Is that correct?
That's right.

469
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:46,000
So smart seeds has endured a lot
of change and that is Testament

470
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,700
to the value.
So when it started, it was a it

471
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:52,500
was an initiative in one place
at one time in Melbourne.

472
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:57,400
And then we enabled it to get
off the ground in other places

473
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,300
in Australia.
I tell about New Zealand have

474
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:05,200
taken it to another level.
They really have yet a wonderful

475
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,400
country for collaboration.
They I admire the collaborative.

476
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,500
Relationships.
They're very powerful.

477
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:18,400
So New Zealand's doing well.
We've run it in the UK as well.

478
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,700
So but yeah, for smart seeds to
survive its and Thrive.

479
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,600
We found different ways to show
host it.

480
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,900
And so for when G HD digital was
born a number of years ago, we

481
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:39,100
saw a natural fit so that and as
usually the ghd leader that

482
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:43,400
Connery really is establishes
that initial relationship and

483
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,000
those regions are those towns
and those cities that you're

484
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:49,200
implementing, you know, smart
seeds, they go out and they

485
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,800
develop those those core, you
know, connections to start the

486
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,900
process, right?
What I've learned is, you can't

487
00:29:55,900 --> 00:30:03,100
force anything under duress,
very much driven on passion.

488
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:09,000
So we go where the energy lies
and, and we've got wonderful

489
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,800
people.
Across the networks that get up

490
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,000
very easily for this.
They give a lot.

491
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:17,100
That's awesome.
That's great.

492
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:23,100
Well, so you've kind of, you
know, transitioned a little bit

493
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:25,800
since I last, you know, met with
you.

494
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,900
So you're kind of slowly
transition to maybe not so

495
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:32,100
Forefront in the smart seeds
Arena, but you're still

496
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:34,900
supporting and being in the
background and collaborating and

497
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:37,300
solicit facilitating.
But what are you working on?

498
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:43,700
Now these days Yeah, so it's a
it's a it's an evolution I guess

499
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:48,300
for me I started my career as a
water resource engineer.

500
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:52,800
So an environmental engineer
focused on surface water

501
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:59,600
particularly flood and how Urban
drainage interacts with people

502
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,400
and livelihoods healthy river
systems and waterways and

503
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,000
biodiversity, how again
development can support.

504
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:11,000
We Exist with natural
environment.

505
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:17,300
So that's my background.
I moved more into Innovation and

506
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:21,900
using design-led approaches to
solve complex issues.

507
00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:25,200
And I guess that understanding
of the connectivity of

508
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,400
everything is really helpful, so
the environmental engineering

509
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,700
background.
I brought in, by bringing that

510
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:32,200
strings to a more of a systems
thinking approach to solving

511
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,500
problems, smart seeds.
I mean, that is an awesome

512
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:39,100
playground where a lot of I
still get to exercise a lot of

513
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:41,600
this.
This thinking and and I guess

514
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,000
now you'll know Casey could see
the excitement.

515
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,200
You just talked about you light
up, I see.

516
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:51,900
And so now I focus a lot of my
effort on working within

517
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,500
established government and
private Enterprise, and shedding

518
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:00,100
light on some of the really
complex issues.

519
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:06,300
Their businesses are facing so
it can relate to how they might

520
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:10,300
continually meet the rising
needs Spectators that their

521
00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:14,100
customer base or their
communities, it may be to

522
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:18,300
explore how they might take up
new technologies and the

523
00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:20,100
possibilities of new
technologies.

524
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:25,600
It might be around regulatory
pressure and how do they shift

525
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:33,200
their business to be able to
apply and the like grow into new

526
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,600
regions a whole range of
different questions.

527
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:40,300
But what I love about design
thinking, Thinking and creative

528
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:43,400
problem, solving techniques is,
they're very flexible, very

529
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,400
adaptable and the I guess the
commonality is that, you're

530
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,800
really looking to turn
challenges into opportunities,

531
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:57,100
and you can apply processes
mindsets, your own experience

532
00:32:57,100 --> 00:33:00,000
and perspectives and other
people's experiences and

533
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,100
perspectives.
And that, and I guess the

534
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:06,600
toolkit of designers to one make
sense of the complexity and

535
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:13,000
understand how it all works.
Works holistically, identify who

536
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,300
is feeling the pain in the
system, right?

537
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:20,200
Right, where the issues are and
how they experienced that at a,

538
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,900
at a personal and cultural
level.

539
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,400
And then really hone in, on the
points of intervention, we can't

540
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:32,000
solve the whole thing.
It's, it's an ongoing Dynamic

541
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,600
setting Beach.
Pick your bow.

542
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,300
We can only one thing, right?
Yes, we move through all that

543
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:40,700
complexity, get some Focus.
And then start coming up with

544
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:42,900
some really creative approaches
to solving those.

545
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,800
That's what I really enjoy.
So I enjoy immersing myself in

546
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,000
very different problems and so
an example would be this year

547
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:58,000
and as a as a water engineer.
I know a the quite a lot about

548
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,900
suing networks.
Yeah, and sewage zoo and I Works

549
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:06,000
pesky csos combined sewer
overflows to really examine

550
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,700
messing everything up, aren't
they?

551
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:12,500
Yeah, it deserves.
Rating under our feet but I've

552
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:17,900
spent the last six months, with
a water utility in New South

553
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:19,400
Wales Australia.
Yeah.

554
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:23,100
Literally waiting into this
problem of sewer, overflow.

555
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,800
Hmm.
And I thought I knew a little

556
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:34,100
bit about the sewer system but I
didn't know how problematic the

557
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:38,300
systems can be and just how much
of an impact they can have on

558
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:41,000
people's lives.
So so we're focusing on waste

559
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,199
water overflows, that
continually impact.

560
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:49,900
People are residents businesses
community members and

561
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:52,300
repeatedly.
So every time it rains, they

562
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:56,000
might have sewer sewage flowing
down their driveway, under their

563
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,000
house, back up into their
property.

564
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:06,200
This is not a unique or isolated
case, a lot of coastal towns

565
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,600
will have these issues.
But what's really interesting

566
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,900
about it is it's relatively
taboo and not well appreciated.

567
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,500
And so when we talk to customers
that are experiencing waste

568
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:24,100
water overflow, we start to
realize just how difficult it

569
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:29,400
is, to be able to address the
problem and no one root cause.

570
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,800
And so it's a long-term
investment in a community to

571
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,300
solve that problem through, you
know, a lot of engineering

572
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:44,000
infrastructure redos, you know
especially here in the states.

573
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,900
We've Combined sewer overflows.
Geez, when I started my career

574
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:50,600
as an as a regulator and working
for the office of water

575
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:56,500
management and I was doing
surface water sampling and

576
00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:00,200
basically assessing fish kills
due to see us.

577
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,400
You know, so you know flood
would come in heavy rain, you

578
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,800
know, and massive fish kill
would happen and really go

579
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,600
figure out why that happened.
Well, you know, all the

580
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,400
dissolved oxygen gets sucked out
of the Water with the, you know,

581
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,400
the sewage and killed all the
fish and we had to go prove it

582
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,700
and then go upstream and figure
out well, where is the CSO

583
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:24,400
coming from me?
Where is the problem with the

584
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,800
breakdown?
And it's just a lot of a lot of

585
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,900
information that we did a lot of
studies on in though some of the

586
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:33,200
watersheds that we were, you
know, working in and just as a

587
00:36:33,207 --> 00:36:37,600
very eye-opening problem and a
massive one to solve.

588
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Because here right now they're
trying to separate the sewage

589
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,000
and the storm water completely.
Yeah.

590
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,100
Let's keep it completely
separate and there's a big push

591
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:50,500
right now in the u.s. to do that
with a lot of municipalities and

592
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:53,500
it's a big cost to the
infrastructure in the design.

593
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:58,600
But I told and retold in
Australia, we generally have

594
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,000
that, we don't have combined
systems, well, they're not

595
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,800
designed to be combined in
designed to be separate, they've

596
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,100
forgotten how one.
Well yeah, you have either

597
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:11,700
accidental connections, so a new
development, May connect to the,

598
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,200
you know, the wrong pipe instead
of connecting.

599
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:18,500
Ting your roof drainage to your
storm water Network.

600
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,500
You erroneously connected to the
Sewer, all of a sudden you've

601
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,500
got rain water, entering a
system that was designed only to

602
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:29,800
carry.
So it's yeah, of course that

603
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,400
that will overflow more
regularly in during rainfall.

604
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:35,600
If enough people do that across
a catchment, right?

605
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,800
Yeah, severe problem and
probably more often and so

606
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,700
that's certainly the case.
And, you know, non-compliances

607
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:48,700
well Developers choose to make
the wrong connection.

608
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:51,700
Kalani.
Yeah.

609
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,800
Cost Savings Time Savings?
Yeah, lack of care.

610
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,200
So there's there's issues there.
But then, also you've got

611
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,200
non-human actors like trees.
They're just getting into the

612
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,600
system.
And are you making in and

613
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,200
blocking?
I mean, you can't hold trees

614
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,700
accountable.
So they know it's so many

615
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:11,300
issues, right?
And they're just words just

616
00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:13,200
infrastructure.
Just crumbles over time, you

617
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,000
know, that's it.
Put in with Old Clay, terracotta

618
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,700
pipes and you know, or brick and
now, you know, it's degraded

619
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:21,500
over time.
So it's exactly.

620
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:24,400
But now that's great and I'm
glad that you're working on

621
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,800
that.
That's, that's very interesting.

622
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,300
So mi I love this has been a
great podcast.

623
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:31,900
I mean we've got a lot of really
good information on Smart seeds

624
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:36,800
and and and that program and the
emerging leaders that are, you

625
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,400
know, able to get involved in
from all different disciplines

626
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,500
and different, you know, areas
of the industry you A lot of

627
00:38:44,508 --> 00:38:46,200
great leaders that are
mentoring.

628
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,700
These people, I think that's
phenomenal, because really, if

629
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:52,700
we don't pass it down to the
younger generation that that's,

630
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:55,300
you know, that's the key, right?
We have to be able to do that

631
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:57,600
Mentor.
Mm, bring them as much

632
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,000
information.
We can provide them to learn

633
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,400
from and I love it and I think
that love to see a smart seeds

634
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,200
Program, start here in the u.s.
somewhere.

635
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,200
I don't know where but I'd love
to see it happen.

636
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,700
In think it'd be great.
One of the things I like to

637
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:15,500
close with the podcast is Is
this one question?

638
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:19,200
It's up to how are you
transforming the industry in the

639
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,300
way you approach design lead
Innovation?

640
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:25,400
You know, you know what ghd?
So what do we think there?

641
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:32,400
Certainly what?
I bring two.

642
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:39,800
The table is I an appreciation
of the engineering design

643
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,200
process.
What drives it the purpose of

644
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,200
engineering.
I'll often it is to provide a

645
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:53,200
reliable stable solution for
people and provide a safe

646
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,800
environment for people either
it's a bridge design making sure

647
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,400
people can safely cross.
If it's a pipe design, making

648
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,300
sure that it's right there is a
surcharge If it doesn't impact

649
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:08,300
people and property.
So I can understand that

650
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:10,500
mindset.
But what I often bring is a

651
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:14,100
different lens which is focused
on The Human Experience, right?

652
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:18,900
How do water services impact
people's lives?

653
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:24,500
What do the social sciences say
about people's expectations and

654
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,600
motivations?
How to behaviors impact the way

655
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,900
that engineering Solutions are
meant to work, but actually

656
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:34,900
conflict.
And so bringing that That

657
00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:36,800
appreciation to The Human
Experience.

658
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,100
The fact that humans aren't
rational.

659
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,200
This is a shockingly.
This is a shocking realization

660
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,000
to the things and he is and I
started also economics.

661
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,900
And I mean an old-school
assumption in economics is just

662
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:51,500
assume people think rationally,
and that's disastrous.

663
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:53,900
Right?
So bringing a more behavioral

664
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:59,700
understanding of society and
culture will help all our

665
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:03,900
organizations and their
Collective effort create Livable

666
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:07,100
places more livable systems,
more sustainable systems.

667
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:12,900
So I really enjoy that and
collaborating with all kinds of

668
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,700
people, you know, strategist
designers, technologists,

669
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:21,200
Regulators, Unity members and
bringing all those perspectives

670
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,000
together and, and making sense
of it, together coming up with

671
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,800
some ideas that people believe
in and buy into is what it's all

672
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,600
about for me now.
That's good.

673
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,800
I mean, HD is exist.
I mean that we are lucky to have

674
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,400
you mi workin for us here in in
Your Capacity and thank

675
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,900
goodness.
You're there because you're

676
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:44,500
making a big difference.
I can tell.

677
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:48,300
All right, so but hey how do you
how do people get a hold of you?

678
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:52,600
Email is good.
I mean depending where you are

679
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,500
around the world emails always
good.

680
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:59,100
So it's my name Mi dot coca at
GH d.com.

681
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:02,100
Okay and then that's great
miles.

682
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:05,200
I really appreciate you.
Coming on to the show tonight.

683
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:08,200
You know we're I'm looking
forward to getting this out to

684
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,400
the listeners here soon.
You know this has been a great

685
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,400
show to listen to all the great
things and smart seeds have been

686
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,900
doing that all the work you've
been involved with and thanks

687
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:21,400
for coming on and I'll put a
little post up on the how people

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can get a hold of you on my
website and on the the liner

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notes on the the podcast itself,
when we publish it and make sure

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you get it out there on your
social media networks, okay.

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But Absolutely sure.
Thank you for the discussion and

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yeah, I love being in contact.
I always walk away from these

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discussions, feeling a little
bit more energized.

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So absolutely that.
We're looking forward to

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hopefully here soon.
We'll see face to face down the

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road.
Absolutely.

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All right, thank you guys.
Bye bye.

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I want to thank our guests
miles, Coker for coming on to

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the show today if you have
questions about the smart seats

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design, That Innovation program
or Water Management Services.

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Please feel free to contact
miles.

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Coker via email at Mi dot Coker
at GH, d.com or visit the smart

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seeds website at www.ctvn.org.
Will also put a link to his

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contact information on my
website to listen to Future

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environmental transformation
podcast.

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You can check us out on anchor,
iTunes Spotify, Google podcast

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and other podcast networks, or
from my website at A d.com.

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Thanks for listening.
And until next time, make a

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positive impact in someone's
life today.