A Toxic Free Future with Mind the Store Director Mike Schade

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Have you thought about adding
another couple categories like

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you know, they're ESG category
Source.

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I mean you're so far, you're so
close to just you.

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This could be like you would be
like a major rating group if you

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had a little bit.
Just another couple categories I

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can imagine like, what's there,
you know, sustainability program

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look.
Like, do they have a good

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program and play?
So they meeting ESG goals.

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I mean, you're already dealing
with chemical manufacturing.

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You know, Chen.
You're already touching on some

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of those types of policies.
Yeah.

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Have you thought it through any?
Yeah.

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I think what I mean?
You know, the way that we think

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about this is someone in
alignment with what you were

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saying which is that you know,
we think that chemicals

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management is a core tenant of
any retailer or Brands

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sustainability or ESG program.
You know, we don't think it's

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separate.
We think that it should be an

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essential element of a company's
sustainability program.

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Today's guest is Mike Shad in

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Mike is the lead for toxic-free.
Futures mind, the store program

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in which is challenging
retailers to shift the mind, the

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marketplace away from hazard.
Chemicals, and develop a

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comprehensive safer.
Chemical policy.

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Mike a welcome to the show.
Hey, thanks so much for having

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me.
It's really great to be here.

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I appreciate it.
Yeah, no, I'm glad you joined.

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And I've been following you on
LinkedIn and all the good work

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you're doing about trying to
raise awareness of pfos and

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retailer products.
And I thought be great

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opportunity to bring in the show
and talk about, you know, the

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good things you guys are trying
to do and accomplish with, you

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know, working with these
retailers.

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So give us a little bit girl.
A little bit of a, some

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background for our listeners
about, you know, the mission of

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the toxic-free future and your
role is the director for mind

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the store.
Yeah.

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So tff were National
Environmental Health, nonprofit,

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we've been around for more than
40 years, we started working in

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Seattle locally to protect
folks, from exposure to harmful,

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pesticides and herbicides.
And over the years, we've really

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expanded our mission to protect
Can families, more broadly from

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exposure, to dangerous
chemicals, that are used in

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consumer products, packaging and
can be found throughout Global

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Supply chains.
We work to advance policies at

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the state level and the federal
level to more tightly regulate

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dangerous, chemicals, like pee,
fast, and phthalates.

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And we also work to advance
comprehensive corporate chemical

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policies among the nation's
leading retailers through our

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Our mind, the store program,
which is a program that I

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coordinate.
Additionally, we also conduct

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original Research into chemicals
of concern and, you know, across

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the board.
Our mission is really to protect

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American communities families
workers from exposure to

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dangerous.
Chemicals, that are hiding all

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around us, every day from food,
packaging to building materials

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to electronics and really to
prevent harm from chemicals that

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are linked to Cancer, another
serious health problems in our

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communities.
So essentially as consumers

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should be very thankful that
you're helping prevent these.

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He's too close from coming into
our possession.

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That's great knowingly, right?
Yeah, I mean that's, that's

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great.
Yeah, if you think about it, you

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know, day in and day out, you
know, you wake up, you brush

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your teeth, you take a shower,
you wash your hair, just, you

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know, those acts alone, you're
being exposed to chemicals

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unwittingly from Products like
Cosmetics to shampoo, put on

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your clothes.
You could be exposed to

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chemicals like pee fast and your
clothing.

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You lay on the couch, you could
be exposed to flame-retardant.

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So dangerous, chemicals are
hiding all around us and you

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know, we think that businesses
and policy makers really need to

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do a much better job of
protecting our families from

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exposure to chemicals, that
independent scientists are

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sounding the alarm on that.
They're saying or Linked to

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serious health problems like
cancer.

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Yeah.
I mean, some of these chemicals

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have kind of flown under the
radar as far as their toxicity,

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the regulatory nature of them,
you know, they're, you know,

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typically in products there is
some sort of material MSDS,

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safety data sheet, that's
associated with it.

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But, you know, I think there's a
lot of things hiding in those

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that people don't understand the
risks as well.

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So, you know, I think that's
it's good that you guys are

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taking a look at this.
And And trying to protect the

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consumers.
Well, let's talk a little bit

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about minding the store and its
Market transformation program.

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How does that work?
Because I was looking on your

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website and it's like, okay,
this looks interesting, let's

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talk about that.
Yeah, yeah.

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So you know, the fundamental
idea behind the - tour program

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is that, you know, we think that
retailers have a fundamental

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responsibility to ensure that
the products in the packaging

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that they use and sell are safe
and healthy not only Are we as

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consumers, but also for the
communities and the workers

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where products and materials are
manufactured and where they're

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disposed of, you know, we as
consumers have little to no

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influence over big chemical
corporations that manufacture

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chemicals that can be harmful
for our health and environment,

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but we have a lot of influence
over the companies that we shop

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at that, we spend money at an
increasingly companies care.

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Are what their customers think
they want to know that our

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customers are happy.
So we launched the mine.

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The store program about 10 years
ago to challenge the nation's

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biggest retailers companies like
Walmart Amazon Target Home Depot

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to leverage their Market power
and influence to drive dangerous

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chemicals out of their products
packaging and Supply chains.

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We think that retailers can
really be a force for good in

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terms of protecting consumers
and communities.

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Is from chemicals in the
products that they sell most

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retailers.
Don't want to sell products that

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contain chemicals, that can be
harmful to their customers or

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that can pose business risks to
them as busy as a company.

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Great, right?
So, you know, right before we

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jumped on this call, you kind of
had some really great news.

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They came through today which
I'm imagining is kind of related

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to this Market transformation
program that you working with

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retailers trying to encourage
urge them to eliminate, you

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know, the use of or selling
products that have these types

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of dangerous chemicals on it
talk, can you share with the

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listeners, this new information
that you've just, you know,

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release their eggs?
Came out today.

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Yeah, breaking news.
So, you know, through our mind,

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the store program, you know, we
focus on different chemicals.

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Chemicals that are viewed to be
as most hazardous and persistent

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from a public health and
environmental perspective.

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So for a number of years, we've
been campaigning calling on

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retailers to Reduce and
eliminate he fast.

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Chemicals.
The forever chemicals which are

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commonly found in products, like
food, packaging and clothing and

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furniture extremely persistent,
toxic chemicals, that can be

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dangerous at low levels of
exposure.

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So over the last year and a
half, we've been running a

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national campaign, calling an
REI, the nation's preeminent

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Outdoor Retailer.
REI is different than many other

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companies or a co-op.
They have millions and millions

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of members and we've been
working.

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NG with REI customers and
members and environmental health

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groups from around the country,
over the last year and a half

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the call, an REI to take a
leadership position on this

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issue to phase out and then pee
fast.

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And just yesterday actually late
yesterday, REI announced a new

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policy, they're committing to
Banning pee fast in all of the

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textiles that they sell over the
next couple of years, which is a

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huge win for our campaign and
huge win for consumers.

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Nationwide as a company.
That is a real leader in the

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outdoor industry.
This is going to have a massive

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impact and driving ethos
chemicals out of products, like

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raincoats and hiking pants and
other textiles that they stream.

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Absolutely, I mean
congratulations to your efforts.

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Also obviously congratulations
to REI for taking a stand in the

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industry.
You know.

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They're typically viewed as an
environmentally friendly

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conscious conservation.
Rand for the outdoors.

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And it sounds like they're
putting their money where their

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mouth is.
Yeah.

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And doing that.
I mean, they're that's awesome.

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Yeah.
Yeah, it took you know it took a

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fair amount of encouragement and
an advocacy.

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I will say I mean we first
reached out to REI on this issue

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year and a half ago in September
of September 20 21 and

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unfortunately it took year and a
half for the company to get to

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this.
Point.

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But we're really excited with
the result, you know, over the

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last year, over 150,000, REI
members and customers have

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signed petitions urging them to
act.

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So it took a fair amount of
nudging.

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But the good news is, REI is
really taking a leadership

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position, joining other
companies in the outdoor

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industry by announcing this new
commitment to phase out, the

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FAFSA in the outdoor apparel and
textiles that they sell and also

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cookware, which is interesting
which wasn't something that we

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were.
Focusing on so much in our

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advocacy and communication.
So we're really excited and we

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hope that other major retailers
also join REI to take action.

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We're now turning our attention
can think of a few big names

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that, you know, companies that
are in this same Market as, you

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know, REI so, yeah, I mean, and
they're super, I think ones in

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Maine, so they're super friendly
to the environment as well.

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So let's see if they will jump.
Onto the bandwagon here and

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start to do it, you know.
Take the same state.

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Same stance, that's great.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
We hope so.

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I mean.
Okay.

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So this Market transformation
program, it gets started, but

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you guys publish as part of this
program, a retailer report card.

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Let's talk about that because I
was going on your website and

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for those listening, it's a
toxic free future dot-org and

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you can, you can peruse the
website and really kind of look

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at all.
All the stores that they've

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actually graded, which I thought
was fascinating and I really

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thought this was really great.
So talk about this report card.

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How it works, how you guys
evaluate you know, these these

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retailers and a little bit.
That'd be great.

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Yeah, so we've been putting out
the retail report card for gosh,

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over 5 years.
Now the report was first

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published back in 2016 and we
steadily expanded over time.

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And essentially we look at which
retailers are In which retailers

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are lagging when it comes to
addressing, harmful chemicals,

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and their products, packaging
and Supply chains, we grade

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companies on publicly available
information, looking at

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questions, like do they have a
chemical policy?

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Do they have a list of chemicals
that they restrict how they made

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progress in reducing harmful
chemicals?

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And so, we grade companies
across a range of criteria.

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We share the grades with them in
advance, before we put out a

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report, giving them an
opportunity to respond to say,

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hey, look, we're doing this or
we're doing In that or actually

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Yeah, I really liked it.

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I mean, the, the big names and
the logos that are on this.

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So report card that you can, you
know, select and you're just

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like, hey, let me, let me see
how these companies do and you

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grade them.
You know, they're graded from

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may be basically an ABCD and an
F score, right?

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You know, simple
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grading process.
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that you show as well.
Like, you know, the company's

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last year where this and they
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Stayed the same or they drop
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that and then what I felt was
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you had the different areas that
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from policy from accountability,
from disco disclosure from their

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transparency, the chemical
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you had a little bit of some
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what we view, as kind of what
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practices in terms of companies
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safer chemical policies, to
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footprint?
And so we've developed these

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criteria and then we grade the
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dozen key Criterion.
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number of points and then a
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are evaluated.
We've really I seen that this

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can really encourage companies
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No one wants to get a letter
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for that matter.
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years that by publicly
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Grading them through this
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drive improvements.
For example, the first year we

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put it out, we evaluated 11
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across the board in 2016 was a
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In our most recent assessment,
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a b -, which was a huge jump for
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Target that really can play an
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chemicals of concern, in their
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I really enjoyed.
When I read through it, you

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know, the explanations that you
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of the company and what you
found, you know, giving a little

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more context to why you actually
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And the grade you gave them I
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important because I'm curious.
How have the Retailer's

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responded to these report cards
that you send out to them?

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responses have been relatively
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they've seen it as almost like a
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You know, what are they doing?
Well, and where were the areas

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in, which they can improve in
the, in the year and the years

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ahead and it really gives them
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competitors are behaving in this
regard and where they could make

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improvements to further improve
consumer product safety, and

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improve the chemical
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packaging that they sell.
And we've seen since we first

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started grading companies that
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significant action.
So, for example, when we first

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created companies, like Amazon,
and Rite Aid and Sephora, all

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three of those companies Them
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in place.
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three of them have developed
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They've developed list of
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reduce or eliminate and they've
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progress in reducing their
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Which has been really exciting.
So it's going to really powerful

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tool to not only encourage
retailers to improve, but also

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share information with investors
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media, On which retailers are
leading and which retailers are

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lagging when it comes to
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in their products and packaging.
Yeah, I mean you look through

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this and you go through this
list of, you know, there's been

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a lot of information around like
McDonald's lately.

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You know, you know what I think
they I guess some concerns about

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their packaging of you know the
food right though, they haven't

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really well.
They did increase a little bit

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from last year too.
Well into 2021 they went from

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the so fix that the improved a
little bit you know then you go

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and you look at some of these
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Yeah yeah I mean you know some
companies are you know scoring

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better than others, you know
McDonald's prior to our previous

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assessment actually had an even
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But since we put out the last
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credit, actually announced that
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pee fast chemicals and their
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Packaging globally by 2025,
which was a huge commitment.

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I mean, McDonald's is, you know,
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chains in the world.
And so that is having a really

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important and significant impact
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fast chemicals in food
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So even though they didn't score
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I think we're actually working
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report card right now as we
speak and I think McDonald's,

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they're great will actually
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progress on PBS, I spent a
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Europe and you know, visited
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Okay.
What I noticed the difference

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between there and here in the US
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packaging is a lot more
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Not as much Plastics.
They're really making an impact.

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I think you're taking it than in
the initiative in Europe right

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now more.
So I think than I I've seen here

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in the US, you don't even get
straws with your cups of, you

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know, Coke.
When you order it in at least in

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the in the store and they they
just they have the like little

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sippy cup lids on it.
Now where I was just a whole and

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kind of like think.
So like you would find it like a

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Starbucks cup whole you know
they're changing the way they're

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doing, it seems like there's
some good progress happening it

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just you know, the needs.
We deployed across their entire

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franchise network switch.
That's got to be a pretty big

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challenge.
There's like, how many hundreds

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of thousands of McDonald's are
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I mean, it's a big situation to
Supply, right?

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Yeah, I mean, it's like turning
around and giant cockroach

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anchor in a small Canal, it's
not an easy feat by any means,

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but yeah, I mean they deserve
credit and you know, we're

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actually seeing a growing Trend
among major food retailers, it's

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not just McDonald's and recent
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Other major, Fast food and fast,
casual chains, like Starbucks

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and Burger King have also
announced policies to phase out

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and behnke fast chemicals in
food packaging.

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In fact, since we started
focusing on P fast and food

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packaging, we've won commitments
from over 20, major food.

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Retailers who have adopted
corporate commitments to phasing

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out and restricting PDFs?
Which were really excited about.

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And we're now working to
leverage this policy momentum

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that were achieving In the
marketplace as well as the

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states to encourage Congress.
Now, to finish the job, we

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actually have bipartisan
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that would ban Ki fast and food
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It didn't quite make it to the
finish line, but we're hopeful

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that in this yard.
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year.
We got really, really close.

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It was rumor stations there.
Now right, it's in my

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impersonation of the are
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So we're hopeful that we can
bring that to the Finish Line in

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the year ahead.
And you know one of the things

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we've Scene with the with this
campaign is that as we win more

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commitments and encourage
companies to improve that can

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really help build momentum for
common-sense policies at the

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state and the federal level to
protect communities and

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consumers from harmful
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And that intersection between
corporate policy and

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governmental policy is kind of
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our theory of change.
Yeah, I can imagine yeah I can

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see that.
I can that Deli totally, you

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No one company that.

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I mean I'm looking at Apple.
Like I mean they're a plus.

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These guys.
The you know they look like they

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really have.
Really put their, their

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commitments into play and to
practice, you know.

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Yeah, Nepal is an interesting
company like, you know, 20 years

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ago, or maybe it was about 15
years ago, some nonprofit

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organizations.
Like, Greenpeace ran a campaign

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calling on Apple to Green up its
supply chain.

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And since then they deserve, a
lot of credit, Apple has

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actually shown real leadership
in.

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Not only reducing and
eliminating, Eating chemicals

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and materials of concern.
For example, they've shown

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leadership, there were one of
the first, big Electronics

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Brands to remove PVC plastic
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There were one of the first to
get out of brominated, flame,

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retardants, but they've really
gone a lot further than many

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other brands and retailers by
one requiring full material

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disclosure.
So really working with suppliers

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to understand what's actually in
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their supply chain and then also
to their credit, not only, you

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know, making real progress
around disclosure and

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transparency in phasing out
chemicals and materials of

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concern.
But also working to ensure that

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substitutes are safer using
tools.

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Like the green screen for safer
chemicals to evaluate the

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hazards of alternative.
So yeah, apple is the

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top-scoring company in our
scorecard and they've been one

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of of the top scoring companies
ever since we have included them

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and their policies and practices
can really I think serve as a

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model for other retailers.
In terms of, how do you address

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chemicals of concern in your
products packaging and Global

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Supply chains?
And I think they're also do a

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really good job of, you know,
you know, managing their

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byproducts to and, and how they,
you know, recycle things or, you

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know, try to be more sustainable
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So, I think they're really dry.
Bring into those which kind of a

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kind of leads me to another
question around your report

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card.
You really talk about the

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chemical footprint and how
environmentally impactful that

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is or how they manage.
That is a business.

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And there's so many great, you
know, areas you're actually

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uncut, you know, discovering or,
you know, reviewing.

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But man, have you thought about
adding another couple categories

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like, you know, their ESG cat?
Cory Source, I mean, you're so

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far, you're so close to just
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This could be like you would be
like a major rating group if you

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had a little bit.
Just another couple categories I

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can imagine like, what's there,
you know, sustainability program

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look.
Like, do they have a good

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program in place?
Are they meeting ESG goals?

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00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,500
I mean, you're already dealing
with chemical manufacturing.

459
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,000
You know.
Chan, you're already touching on

460
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,100
some of those types of policies.
Yeah.

461
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,300
Have you thought it through any?
Yeah.

462
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:44,600
I think what I mean.
Way that we think about this is

463
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,300
someone in alignment with what
you were saying which is that,

464
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:49,700
you know, we think that
chemicals management is a core

465
00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:55,600
tenant of any retailer or Brands
sustainability or ESG program.

466
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:57,300
You know, we don't think it's
separate.

467
00:26:57,300 --> 00:27:01,200
We think that it should be an
essential element of a company

468
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,800
sustainability program.
You know, 20 years ago.

469
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,000
I think, when most companies
thought about sustainability,

470
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,800
they thought about, you know,
reducing waste or just recycling

471
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,800
or recycling, right?
Right.

472
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,700
Yeah, but, you know, in today's
world growing sustainability

473
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:23,500
trend is that the chemicals
management is growing ESG topic.

474
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:26,900
That is core and essential to
any company's sustainability

475
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:31,000
program and we are actively
thinking right now, about how we

476
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,300
can improve and expand the next
iteration of the scorecard

477
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:37,000
criteria.
And we're actually going to be

478
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,500
releasing the next version of
the criteria in about the next

479
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:44,400
month or so.
So, so Senator should you know

480
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,700
go to our website retailer
report, card.com or toxic-free

481
00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:51,000
future dot-org sign up for our
email list and we'll be sharing

482
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,900
information about the next
iteration of our criteria.

483
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,100
I think a lot of your listeners
would be interested to see how

484
00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:01,200
we've how we're improving and
expanding the criteria to drive

485
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,400
further improvements among these
major retailers.

486
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,400
Yeah, you know I mean a lot of
investors are looking to get

487
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,900
this type of information their
hands before they decide I want

488
00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:13,800
to buy, you know.
Chairs into a firm, right?

489
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,400
And sometimes this information
is not easy to get a hold of and

490
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,700
for the layperson it's like it's
really challenging and to be

491
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:23,400
able to walk, you know, to be
able to go onto your website,

492
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,800
click on one of these, you know,
logos and have some criteria.

493
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,600
That's, you know, been vetted.
It's, you know, it's got some

494
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,100
good, you know, rigor behind it.
I just think, you know, having

495
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:38,400
like an ESG functional
component, do they have a good,

496
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:41,800
you know, zero waste policy, I
mean stuff like that.

497
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,100
That would be Huge to benefit to
to the addition of the port

498
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:48,400
card, least, from my
perspective.

499
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,200
And who am I?
I've just the host here so.

500
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,900
Yeah as yeah.
Well, I'm glad you mentioned

501
00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:59,800
investors because you know, that
is definitely something we've

502
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,100
heard from many investors in
recent years from faith-based

503
00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:08,000
that, you know, faith-based
investors to socially

504
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,000
responsible investors to even
more mainstream investors.

505
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:12,400
You know, they're looking for
this.

506
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:16,300
Type of information about how
companies compare and contrast

507
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:19,500
around major sustainability
challenges like chemicals

508
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:23,300
management.
We also hear from consumers and

509
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:26,300
that's one of the reasons why I
will often put this information

510
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:29,800
out every for four out of five
years.

511
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,700
We've published this.
We put it out in November in

512
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:35,700
advance of the holiday shopping
season so that when consumers

513
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:38,900
are shopping for their loved
ones and their family and the

514
00:29:38,908 --> 00:29:42,800
friends, they can make more
informed decisions about Things

515
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,100
that they may want to support
based on how they rank inter

516
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:48,800
annual retail reports.
That's great.

517
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,300
I mean, you know, if you guys
start getting more of that

518
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:54,600
information out in the market
posting on LinkedIn, I mean like

519
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,900
myself and others, you know,
I'll reshare and, you know, and

520
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:01,300
and get that out there, so
that's fantastic.

521
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:05,000
And we can maybe come back and
have a separate follow up.

522
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,500
Just to see what's new like
that.

523
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,500
Could be other good
conversation, right?

524
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:10,600
So yeah I would love to do that.
Yeah.

525
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,200
We should be putting out the
next Version of it.

526
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,400
We don't have the exact date yet
but we're aiming to put it out

527
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,400
by the end of the year, most
likely, an early to mid

528
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,000
November.
So yeah, let's definitely plan

529
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,600
for that.
And once the next iteration of

530
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,700
it is out let's definitely set
up another meeting and podcast

531
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:30,700
interview because I'd love to
share kind of what's changed,

532
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:33,400
what's new?
Which companies are now leading

533
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,300
which companies are lagging
years passed.

534
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:39,500
Some companies haven't done so
well Landing themselves in the

535
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:43,200
toxic Hall of Shame.
Oh, that's some of those

536
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,700
companies will no longer be in
the toxic Hall of Shame.

537
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,000
There were 12 of them last, go
around 12 out of 50.

538
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,400
So it'll be interesting to see
who is actually made meaningful

539
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,000
improvements since the last
go-around.

540
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:59,400
Well, they are, they get like
some sort of a ward for you're

541
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,600
making notes.
Major improvements like, hey,

542
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,800
yeah, let's get him some
encouragement here, right?

543
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,200
Yeah.
Well, actually in the, if you,

544
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,600
you know, if you kind of poke
around in the report card,

545
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,300
you'll see we have analysis on,
who are the leaders and who are

546
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:13,900
the laggards.
And one of the things we've done

547
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:17,100
in the past, is to highlight who
are the most improved retailers

548
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:21,600
either since the last iteration
of the scorecard or since we

549
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,000
first started scoring them.
So, for example, since we first

550
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,800
started scoring retailers, since
2016 Sephora who I mentioned

551
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,800
before, they are the most
improved retailer.

552
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,700
Since we first started grading
them back in 2017.

553
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:40,900
When we first started grading
them, they earn daddy, which

554
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:43,600
isn't so good.
And that was in 2017.

555
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,400
Four years later.
In 2021 they earned actually one

556
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,000
of our top marks bumping up to
an A.

557
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:54,100
So Sephora is a really great
example of a company that in the

558
00:31:54,108 --> 00:31:56,100
beginning wasn't really doing so
well.

559
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,900
Sadly, but over the years have
really made great strides in

560
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:05,200
developing a policy creating the
internal infrastructure to

561
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,700
implement it and working with
their suppliers to drive

562
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:13,300
sustainability improvements.
They've recently Just this past

563
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:17,500
year reported some really
impressive metrics in working

564
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:21,700
with their suppliers to reduce
chemicals of concern and also to

565
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:26,400
help investigate information
investigate and identify

566
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,500
Alternatives so that they're not
only saying to their suppliers.

567
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:32,300
Hey, here are some bad actor,
chemicals that, we'd like you to

568
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:36,300
work to reduce or eliminate.
But here's information about

569
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:40,100
Alternatives that can help you
sell more safer, more

570
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:42,000
sustainable products.
So yeah.

571
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,500
This year, we should again be
identifying the most improved

572
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:47,600
retailers and and that's
something that we like to do

573
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,000
with the report card it.
You know it's not just about

574
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,700
highlighting those that aren't
doing well but we really like to

575
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:56,100
give kudos and credit to
companies that are showing real

576
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:59,400
leadership when it comes to
addressing chemicals of concern

577
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,700
in their supply chain.
Dan oh that's fantastic.

578
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:06,600
What is it like Mike?
You know working with some of

579
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,000
these industry leaders when you
want to try to sit down with

580
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,000
them or do you get the
opportunity actually They invite

581
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,600
you in and hey, tell us what you
guys are actually doing and how

582
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,200
we can improve.
I mean, do you get to that level

583
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,500
of conversations with some of
these industries?

584
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,400
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I mean, we we meet with

585
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,900
retailers on a weekly basis, not
all the Retailer's, but you

586
00:33:28,908 --> 00:33:31,200
know, we're meeting with
different retailers on a regular

587
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,400
basis to, you know, share
information with them on.

588
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:37,700
You know, what are chemicals of
concern that need to be on the

589
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:40,800
radar?
What alternatives are out there?

590
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,300
How are other Retailers how
we're competitors addressing

591
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:47,300
these issues.
What does the science say around

592
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:51,100
some of these chemicals.
And then also you know what is

593
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:53,100
what are the trends in the
policy Arena?

594
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:55,900
Because for many companies they
will want to get out in front of

595
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,700
and get out ahead of the
regulatory curve, right?

596
00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:01,800
They're going to, they don't
want to have to scramble if some

597
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,000
state or some government is all
of a sudden proposing

598
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:08,100
restrictions or regulations on
them.

599
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:11,300
So many companies, see the
benefit in understanding, okay,

600
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:12,800
here's what's coming down the
Fine.

601
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,800
Here's what's important to ngos
and the scientific community and

602
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,600
this is really where we need to
be leaning into in the years

603
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,300
ahead to get out in front of
these regulatory risks that we

604
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:28,699
may soon face.
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622
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So they're fairly receptive to
have inviting you in and, you

623
00:35:32,908 --> 00:35:35,200
know, getting a better
understanding of what you guys

624
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,400
are trying to accomplish with
your campaigns.

625
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,100
And your, I mean, I'm assuming
you provided you, you're

626
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:43,100
providing them resources, like
some alternatives to chemicals,

627
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:46,100
but are there other things
you're helping them with like

628
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:49,500
policy documentation that they
made because sometimes Kemp

629
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:51,600
companies just they're not there
yet.

630
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,700
They don't really have like a
full fledge program that's you

631
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:57,300
know, that they need to have.
Do they do you?

632
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:59,200
Have resources for them at that
level.

633
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:03,200
Absolutely.
I mean we've worked with a

634
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,100
number of major retailers to
help them craft a corporate

635
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,700
chemical policy.
Work with them to develop

636
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:16,900
initial list of chemicals of
concern work with them to set.

637
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,300
Clear quantifiable goals with
metrics to reduce chemicals of

638
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:26,700
concern and share with them
resources, on information on how

639
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:30,000
other Brands are retailers have
tackled similar challenges

640
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,800
sharing information with them on
alternatives to chemicals of

641
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,500
concern safer Alternatives that
they can transition to by

642
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:42,500
working with their suppliers.
So we do try to be

643
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,500
solutions-oriented and our
engagement with retailers and I

644
00:36:45,508 --> 00:36:48,300
think that that has really paid
off really well.

645
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:54,200
You know, since we've launched
our program back in 2013, over

646
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,000
the last 10 years, you know,
when we first launched this

647
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,300
program, Most major retailers
here in the US, we were engaging

648
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,100
didn't have chemical policies.
Most of them didn't had list of

649
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:07,500
chemicals at the restricting.
We're doing little to nothing on

650
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:10,900
these issues and over the last
10 years we've seen Trends

651
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:13,600
transfer transformative change
in the retail sector.

652
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,300
I mean today, it's becoming
increasingly mainstream for

653
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:21,200
companies to have corporate
chemical management programs in

654
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,900
place, not just that are focused
on Regulatory Compliance but

655
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:27,400
getting out ahead of Regulatory
Compliance.

656
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:31,600
Science developing comprehensive
chemical policies because we

657
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,200
often companies will recognize
that sadly the federal

658
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,900
government has not done enough
to regulate harmful chemicals

659
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:43,600
like pee fast and retailers.
See the need for them to do a

660
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,200
better job to safeguard their
customers because their

661
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,800
customers, you know, moms and
dads Across America are asking

662
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,000
them.
Hey you know does this shampoo

663
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,000
contain phthalates does this
food packaging contain pee fast?

664
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,200
Does you know it does this TV
that I buy Dying in my home

665
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,000
contain toxic flame.
Retardants, they're being asked

666
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,500
these questions from their
customers so retailers, really

667
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:08,600
see the value that an
organization like ourselves can

668
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,700
provide and providing guidance
for them on the path to

669
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:16,600
improving and addressing their
chemical footprint.

670
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:20,200
So so you kind of leads me to
this next question.

671
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,700
What are you doing anything
with, you know, government

672
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:25,100
agencies to shape legislation
right now?

673
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:29,100
I mean, yeah, I think that
space, you're Absolutely.

674
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:34,000
So you know, we work you know we
have offices around the country,

675
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,500
I'm based in New York where we
have offices in Washington, d.c.

676
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:42,300
Washington State, sadly changed
at the federal level is slow.

677
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:48,400
I mean, we actually got National
legislation passed in 2016 under

678
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,600
when President Obama was still
president and that was a reform

679
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,900
of the toxic substances Control
Act Tosca, which is the

680
00:38:56,300 --> 00:39:00,200
preeminent law.
That regulates chemicals in

681
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,700
Commerce.
So that was a major piece of

682
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:07,200
legislation we won.
Frankly EPA has been much slower

683
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,500
than we would like in terms of
implementing it, but we are

684
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:15,200
working to encourage EPA to do
as much as they can to implement

685
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,400
that law as Congress had
intended.

686
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,900
But we also think that we can
make even greater and more

687
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transformative change in the
marketplace and also in states.

688
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,300
So, in the Stateside in
Washington State Were based

689
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,900
Washington.
State has really been a leader

690
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:36,000
in terms of developing and
passing laws that do a much

691
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,000
better job of protecting
American families and consumers

692
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,700
from exposure to dangerous
chemicals like pee fast.

693
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:47,900
I mean we've had a lot of
success in Washington state over

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00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:52,200
the last 40 years since we've
been founded to pass, meaningful

695
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,200
legislation, common-sense
legislation, protect folks from

696
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,700
harmful chemicals.
Like Be fast for example.

697
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,300
Yeah.
Washington's been always kind of

698
00:40:01,300 --> 00:40:03,500
wanted more Progressive States
in that regard.

699
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:07,500
So that's good to know.
Let's talk a little bit about

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00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:09,700
some of the partners that you
work with to support the

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00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:11,500
mission.
And how important are they to

702
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:14,300
you guys?
And one comes to mind because I

703
00:40:14,308 --> 00:40:17,600
had 11 previous guest on the
show.

704
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,400
That's I think that was been on
your, your, your website Emily

705
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,300
Donovan with KLM care.
So, tell me a little bit how

706
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:28,700
Partners like that.
And nonprofits that are

707
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:30,400
partnering with.
Yeah, yeah, I know.

708
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,600
I'm glad you asked me about
that.

709
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,200
That's a great question.
You know, I think we're unique

710
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,000
from some other organizations
and that we work.

711
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,900
Very collaboratively and in
Coalition, with many

712
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:44,300
organizations, around the
country, we work collaboratively

713
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:48,800
with communities, that are
directly impacted by chemicals

714
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,500
production and Disposal, so
Emily and Donovan and her

715
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:54,400
organization.
Clean Cape, Fear has been a

716
00:40:54,408 --> 00:40:57,200
great partner.
We worked with her, for example.

717
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,000
Ilan, the pee fast campaign.
I mentioned to get companies

718
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,700
like REI and McDonald's to Ben.
He fasts.

719
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:07,800
We work with not just Community
Based organizations, but we also

720
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,000
work with many state based
organizations and states to

721
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:16,300
enact similar policies, two
hours like we do in Washington

722
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:18,700
state.
So, working with States groups

723
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:21,300
and States like California and
New York and Maine

724
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:24,800
Massachusetts.
Michigan and others Minnesota

725
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:29,300
Rhode Island too, To work on
similar legislation because we

726
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:32,900
find that if we can get multiple
states to pass the same or

727
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:35,200
similar legislation that can
help lift, all boats.

728
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,600
And then, we also work in
partnership with other National

729
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,700
organizations, especially on our
mind, the store campaign.

730
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:47,000
So, for example, with this REI
campaign I mentioned earlier,

731
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:52,300
for example, we worked with
groups like nrdc and consumer

732
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:57,400
reports and breast cancer,
prevention Partners to encourage

733
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,300
REI to take a leadership
position.

734
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:03,800
So we really value the
Partnerships that we have with

735
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,600
other nonprofit organizations.
And if you go to our website

736
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,100
toxic-free, future dot-org, you
can see a list of other

737
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:14,100
organizations that we work
closely with to advance our

738
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:16,800
mission to protect public health
and the environment.

739
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,300
Now that's great.
That's really good.

740
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:22,100
Well, you know, Mike, I think,
you know, the mission you guys

741
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:26,800
are on to bring more awareness
to toxic chemicals and products

742
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,500
that are inconsistent.
More products for, you know, to

743
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:33,800
try to help eliminate that and
for the use of them, for the

744
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,100
consumers who don't know that
they're there, I think this is a

745
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:40,100
great Mission.
Really appreciate what you guys

746
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:44,000
are doing, you know, a toxic
free future and what you're

747
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,600
doing with mine the store and
this this this program of, you

748
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,800
know, the retailer report card.
I really, really love that.

749
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,600
I think you know you're doing a
fantastic job with that.

750
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:56,500
Keep up the great work.
I'm excited to see what the new

751
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:57,200
report cards.
Go.

752
00:42:57,300 --> 00:43:01,600
Uh look like when it comes out
and mark your calendars for

753
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,200
November.
Yeah, maybe maybe the weeks

754
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:09,000
you'd have, maybe there's going
to be a kind of a party for the

755
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,400
new, the new, the people who
have really made a turn for the

756
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,100
better, right?
And I need to give award or

757
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:17,100
something, I don't know, you
know, just yeah that's a great

758
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:18,500
idea.
Now that gives me things to

759
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:22,000
think about for sure.
Yeah you know like hey

760
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,600
toxic-free future mind, the
stores, you know best improved

761
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:27,200
retailer Award of the year or
something.

762
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,000
Here, you know, I guess that
could be a really fun thing for

763
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:34,100
people to receive and just be
acknowledged.

764
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:36,100
They got something.
They did some great talent.

765
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:38,300
Yeah.
I like I like your thinking,

766
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:40,500
we're definitely gonna put that
to some thought for sure.

767
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:44,400
Well, let me, let me, let's,
let's do this.

768
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,400
How can people get involved?
If they want to get involved to

769
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,000
help support?
You know, mind the store,

770
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,800
toxic-free future, what can they
do?

771
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:55,400
Yeah, the best thing you can do
is to visit our websites

772
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:57,800
toxic-free future dot org and
Taylor report.

773
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,300
Card.com simple thing you can do
is to sign up for our email

774
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:04,500
list.
You stay in touch, we send out a

775
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:08,000
regular email with information
about how you can get involved

776
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,700
to safeguard American
communities from exposure to

777
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:15,000
dangerous chemicals.
Another thing you could do is to

778
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,900
share the retailer report card
with your friends and family on

779
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:22,300
social media channels, like
Facebook or Instagram, Twitter,

780
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:25,800
or whatever one that you're on.
That's a really great way to

781
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:29,100
spread the word.
So one go to our website sign up

782
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:32,600
for our email list and to share
the retail report card with your

783
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,700
friends and family, that'll be a
great way that we can help

784
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:39,000
encourage retailers to be more
responsible and help to continue

785
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,100
to drive chemicals of concern
out of products and help

786
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:47,000
transform the marketplace to
say, fear safer and healthier

787
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,600
future for tomorrow, I get to
get two more By from the the

788
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,700
retailers that are really, you
know, have good scores on your

789
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:57,400
report card, right?
Yes.

790
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,300
Because they're making, you
know, support them and then to

791
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,900
you can share this podcast
interview when it gets out to

792
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:06,400
all your friends as well, so we
can get the message out to more

793
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,800
people.
I think, that'd be great.

794
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,400
Absolutely, those are great
suggestions.

795
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,700
Well my K is really great to
have you on the show.

796
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,800
Looking forward to getting this
out to the to the, the ET nation

797
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,200
and to all the potential new
listeners and And looking

798
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,600
forward to you sharing it with
your network as well.

799
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,600
And thanks for coming on the
show today.

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00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:27,600
Great.
Thanks for having me.

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00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:37,200
All right.
I want to thank Our Guest, Mike

802
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,000
shed for coming on to the show
today.

803
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,900
If you have questions about
toxic-free future or find the

804
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:45,200
store, you can connect with him
through Linkedin or visit.

805
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,600
Their website at
www.toptestprep.com will also

806
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,700
put a link to his contact
information on my website to

807
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:55,000
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808
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,000
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00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,900
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00:46:03,908 --> 00:46:06,800
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